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Should people who can't afford housing be automatically labelled "poor"? It's certainly one indicator. Not segrating people improves the world. Segragating the

by bogle 8y ago

Should people who can't afford housing be automatically labelled "poor"? It's certainly one indicator. Not segrating people improves the world. Segragating them introduces division, self-evidentially. Something to be avoided, then, and worked against. Planners will try to mix properties in a new development, if the local politics is to provide for everyone fairly.

growtofill 8y ago
I didn’t think about segregation on planning phase, thanks for the insight. Answering your question: yes, I believe not being able to afford housing categorizes a person as poor. “Provide everyone fairly” is a touchy subject and depends on how limited do you want your goverment to be. I’d rather choose where to live myself, based on my own means.
bluGill 8y ago
You cannot mix a new development like that. Building a house is expensive, so only the rich and upper middle class can afford it. The poor always have and always will live in the houses the above lived in some years back and left for something newer. What planners need to do it make sure that when the rich vacate the neighborhood they left behind is good. Part of that is making sure that some of the rich decide to rebuild their current house instead of leaving thus mixing the neighborhood a bit. Cities are a long games. The "ideal" state you plan today to build tomorrow is not the end state. That means your plans need to account for change. New development will be old in 20 years, what then?
- pjc50 8y ago
  House price in many places is not linked to age so much - houses don't depreciate like cars - as location. Terrible houses and tiny flats in desirable places sell for huge sums.
- ozzyman700 8y ago
  "Mixed Income Housing" is becoming more and more prevalent, it decreases segregation by forcing proportions of new development to include low income housing. Possibly your statement: "You cannot mix a new development like that. Building a house is expensive, so only the rich and upper middle class can afford it. The poor always have and always will live in the houses the above lived in some years back and left for something newer." could be a bit of an absolute.
  - bluGill 8y ago
    One of two things are happening: either the mixed income is richer and middle class - as I already said; or the rich are paying extra for their house to subsidies the house of the poor. Probably a mixture of each.
rootusrootus 8y ago
It is difficult to enforce this without politicians ignoring the will of the people. Which in turn tends to keep them from being reelected.

by bogle 8y ago

growtofill 8y ago

I didn’t think about segregation on planning phase, thanks for the insight. Answering your question: yes, I believe not being able to afford housing categorizes a person as poor. “Provide everyone fairly” is a touchy subject and depends on how limited do you want your goverment to be. I’d rather choose where to live myself, based on my own means.

bluGill 8y ago

You cannot mix a new development like that. Building a house is expensive, so only the rich and upper middle class can afford it. The poor always have and always will live in the houses the above lived in some years back and left for something newer. What planners need to do it make sure that when the rich vacate the neighborhood they left behind is good. Part of that is making sure that some of the rich decide to rebuild their current house instead of leaving thus mixing the neighborhood a bit. Cities are a long games. The "ideal" state you plan today to build tomorrow is not the end state. That means your plans need to account for change. New development will be old in 20 years, what then?

pjc50 8y ago
House price in many places is not linked to age so much - houses don't depreciate like cars - as location. Terrible houses and tiny flats in desirable places sell for huge sums.
ozzyman700 8y ago
"Mixed Income Housing" is becoming more and more prevalent, it decreases segregation by forcing proportions of new development to include low income housing. Possibly your statement: "You cannot mix a new development like that. Building a house is expensive, so only the rich and upper middle class can afford it. The poor always have and always will live in the houses the above lived in some years back and left for something newer." could be a bit of an absolute.
- bluGill 8y ago
  One of two things are happening: either the mixed income is richer and middle class - as I already said; or the rich are paying extra for their house to subsidies the house of the poor. Probably a mixture of each.

rootusrootus 8y ago

It is difficult to enforce this without politicians ignoring the will of the people. Which in turn tends to keep them from being reelected.