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Wiki "The economy grew between the 1950s and 1970s at one of the fastest rates in the world, changing Romania from a predominantly agricultural country into an

Wiki "The economy grew between the 1950s and 1970s at one of the fastest rates in the world, changing Romania from a predominantly agricultural country into an industrialized country. Almost 30% of the population moved during this period from rural to urban areas to work in the newly-built factories." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Republic_of_Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Repub... You "Then from 1963 to 1989 we had a Kim/Mao wannabe dictator building heavy industry and paying external debts while people were starving." Not defending him, but what I found interesting is that it is the only country that comes to my mind that actually paid its debts off without defaulting: "By 1986, it paid half its debt[7] and it finished paying its whole debt early in 1989, ahead of schedule." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_austerity_policy_in_Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_austerity_policy_in_Roma...

oblio 8y ago
> Wiki "The economy grew between the 1950s and 1970s at one of the fastest rates in the world, changing Romania from a predominantly agricultural country into an industrialized country. Almost 30% of the population moved during this period from rural to urban areas to work in the newly-built factories." Yup, they did do a few things well. Free primary and secondary school education, giving women access to jobs, increased urbanization, etc. But you have to keep on thing in mind: this was communist planning and reporting. We even have jokes about it. Stuff like the production being reported as having grown 10x in one year and then people having to bring stuff from home (from last year's harvest) when being asked to hand over this year's production. Plus, they changed the country from 90% rural and agricultural to 60%. Even in 2000 45% of the population was still working in agriculture. If you compare their results with same-period Western bloc countries, Romanian gains were lower and shorter term ones. > Not defending him, but what I found interesting is that it is the only country that comes to my mind that actually paid its debts off without defaulting Well, it was interesting, but it was at the cost of turning us into an autarky. You know who is/strives to be another one? North Korea. Do you know how Ceaușescu got the idea? In North Korea, after a state visit. He wanted to turn Romania into one of the world's poorest states, just so people would shower him with flowers at yearly events... And regarding our growth numbers ("between the 1950s and 1970s"), guess when Ceaușescu visited North Korea... 1971 ;)
PedroBatista 8y ago
That’s like praising Mussolini for making the trains run on time.
- jayalpha 8y ago
  I don't think you understand debt enough to understand how unlikely it is that a country pays off its debt. You can debate if it is good or bad to pay off the debt but it is definitely unusual without a jubilee.
  - PedroBatista 8y ago
    I wasn't even questioning the debt, but the price Romanian people paid and more generally looking at him as some kind of "difficult guy, but fair" when in fact he was a ruthless dictator who lived like a king and though he was a God, just like any dictator or person with too much power. That's like saying "Say what you will about Hitler, but he built some damn good highways.." I live in Portugal, trust me, I know a thing or 2 about national debt..
    - jayalpha 8y ago
      That's like saying "Say what you will about Hitler, but he built some damn good highways.." So what is the problem with quoting a fact without a judgment?
      - PedroBatista 8y ago
        None, but I got a feeling it was with judgment and trying to sell a point. If it wasn't then I digress.

oblio 8y ago

> Wiki "The economy grew between the 1950s and 1970s at one of the fastest rates in the world, changing Romania from a predominantly agricultural country into an industrialized country. Almost 30% of the population moved during this period from rural to urban areas to work in the newly-built factories." Yup, they did do a few things well. Free primary and secondary school education, giving women access to jobs, increased urbanization, etc. But you have to keep on thing in mind: this was communist planning and reporting. We even have jokes about it. Stuff like the production being reported as having grown 10x in one year and then people having to bring stuff from home (from last year's harvest) when being asked to hand over this year's production. Plus, they changed the country from 90% rural and agricultural to 60%. Even in 2000 45% of the population was still working in agriculture. If you compare their results with same-period Western bloc countries, Romanian gains were lower and shorter term ones. > Not defending him, but what I found interesting is that it is the only country that comes to my mind that actually paid its debts off without defaulting Well, it was interesting, but it was at the cost of turning us into an autarky. You know who is/strives to be another one? North Korea. Do you know how Ceaușescu got the idea? In North Korea, after a state visit. He wanted to turn Romania into one of the world's poorest states, just so people would shower him with flowers at yearly events... And regarding our growth numbers ("between the 1950s and 1970s"), guess when Ceaușescu visited North Korea... 1971 ;)

PedroBatista 8y ago

That’s like praising Mussolini for making the trains run on time.

jayalpha 8y ago
I don't think you understand debt enough to understand how unlikely it is that a country pays off its debt. You can debate if it is good or bad to pay off the debt but it is definitely unusual without a jubilee.
- PedroBatista 8y ago
  I wasn't even questioning the debt, but the price Romanian people paid and more generally looking at him as some kind of "difficult guy, but fair" when in fact he was a ruthless dictator who lived like a king and though he was a God, just like any dictator or person with too much power. That's like saying "Say what you will about Hitler, but he built some damn good highways.." I live in Portugal, trust me, I know a thing or 2 about national debt..
  - jayalpha 8y ago
    That's like saying "Say what you will about Hitler, but he built some damn good highways.." So what is the problem with quoting a fact without a judgment?
    - PedroBatista 8y ago
      None, but I got a feeling it was with judgment and trying to sell a point. If it wasn't then I digress.