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The future is now https://medium.com/@RiotChat/the-big-1-0-68fa7c6050be https://medium.com/@RiotChat/the-big-1-0-68fa7c6050be

jMyles 8y ago
Oh awesome, thanks man.
meruru 8y ago
Only Riot Web though :( Riot (both web and mobile) desperately needs to make room and user search more obvious. Everyone I give Riot to has issues finding me and my channels. I get around this by asking their usernames and sending invites to the right channels.
- baroffoos 8y ago
  Have you checked recently? The mobile version has gone blue for me.
  - meruru 8y ago
    Yes, I in fact just installed it. They changed the text in the "search bar" present in the homescreen, which is a great improvement (it now says "filter rooms"). However this feature is only useful for really heavy users with tons of rooms, yet it's displayed front and center while the global search option which is fundamental for onboarding is still hidden. The full redesign has been postponed because they are rewriting the whole program: https://github.com/vector-im/riotX-android https://github.com/vector-im/riotX-android But this issue I'm complaining about is also present on the redesigned Riot Web. Edit: sorry, I think I'm wrong. The current mobile version seems to already be the redesign though it looks mostly the same to me: https://medium.com/@RiotChat/riot-mobile-update-brand-new-riot-im-website-cc11534ad685 https://medium.com/@RiotChat/riot-mobile-update-brand-new-ri... I think it still needs a lot of work.
    - Arathorn 8y ago
      the recent mobile update is just a cosmetic redesign (getting rid of all the green!) You're completely right that RiotX is where the overall usability fixes are happening, including ones which would solve your problem here. Good news is that RiotX is evolving fast though - we're putting all our resources into it rather than Riot/Android, and then the same UX will be ported over to Riot/iOS. We're aiming to get a daily-usable RiotX into the app stores in the next 1-2 months. N.B. that the UX will change substantially from the current prototype at https://matrix.org/jenkins/job/RiotXAndroidDevelop/ https://matrix.org/jenkins/job/RiotXAndroidDevelop/.
      - meruru 8y ago
        Thanks for the clarification. Those are great news!
      - hawski 8y ago
        Right now is it generally recommended to use Riot or is RiotX stable/good enough? Also is RiotX like a beta channel, so when it's considered complete/stable will an update effectively replace Riot with RiotX for all current users?
        Arathorn 8y ago
        RiotX is alpha right now, but should be usable day-to-day in a month or so. Once it has parity with Riot we'll replace Riot with it.
nicklaf 8y ago
I don't want to knock the hard work the Riot developers have put into their application, but I just don't understand: why does 'modern' web design seem to require wasting so much white space? Looking at the screenshot on that blog post, the actual chat transcript is somewhere in the middle of the screen (sandwiched between giant sidebars on either side). Compare to irssi (or any other console IRC program), which uses just about the entire width of the terminal to print chat messages. Is this really just a side-effect of developers all having large, high-DPI monitors, making the white space look smaller to them? Because on my tiny little Chromebook, no more than 50% of the screen width is actually used to display chat messages.
- Gigablah 8y ago
  Why would you want messages to span the entire screen? https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/108801/what-is-the-best-number-of-paragraph-width-for-readability https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/108801/what-is-the-be...
  - nicklaf 8y ago
    Because: window managers! http://i.imgur.com/4K0pa6m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4K0pa6m.jpg That said...I must confess that irssi uses a non-trivial amount of margin space as well!
    - johntash 8y ago
      I think some developers either only have one window open at a time, or always use fullscreen/maximized windows. There are so many things that are just difficult to use when windows are tiled to fit ~4 things on one monitor.
    - Freak_NL 8y ago
      The user list on the right can be closed, and the channel list on the left can be collapsed.
    - johnisgood 8y ago
      I use Wire which has a similar problem to Riot. That is now 2 different workspaces just for "chatting" (they take up an entire workspace to be usable, because it wastes space, not good, IMO), then there is another for IRC on which I can also have a browser anyway because the terminal is only 80x24. I stopped using Riot because of it, and I might stop using Wire, too. :/ I hope they will fix it in Wire though, for example, by making the friend list collapsible or something.

jMyles 8y ago

Oh awesome, thanks man.

meruru 8y ago

Only Riot Web though :( Riot (both web and mobile) desperately needs to make room and user search more obvious. Everyone I give Riot to has issues finding me and my channels. I get around this by asking their usernames and sending invites to the right channels.

baroffoos 8y ago
Have you checked recently? The mobile version has gone blue for me.
- meruru 8y ago
  Yes, I in fact just installed it. They changed the text in the "search bar" present in the homescreen, which is a great improvement (it now says "filter rooms"). However this feature is only useful for really heavy users with tons of rooms, yet it's displayed front and center while the global search option which is fundamental for onboarding is still hidden. The full redesign has been postponed because they are rewriting the whole program: https://github.com/vector-im/riotX-android https://github.com/vector-im/riotX-android But this issue I'm complaining about is also present on the redesigned Riot Web. Edit: sorry, I think I'm wrong. The current mobile version seems to already be the redesign though it looks mostly the same to me: https://medium.com/@RiotChat/riot-mobile-update-brand-new-riot-im-website-cc11534ad685 https://medium.com/@RiotChat/riot-mobile-update-brand-new-ri... I think it still needs a lot of work.
  - Arathorn 8y ago
    the recent mobile update is just a cosmetic redesign (getting rid of all the green!) You're completely right that RiotX is where the overall usability fixes are happening, including ones which would solve your problem here. Good news is that RiotX is evolving fast though - we're putting all our resources into it rather than Riot/Android, and then the same UX will be ported over to Riot/iOS. We're aiming to get a daily-usable RiotX into the app stores in the next 1-2 months. N.B. that the UX will change substantially from the current prototype at https://matrix.org/jenkins/job/RiotXAndroidDevelop/ https://matrix.org/jenkins/job/RiotXAndroidDevelop/.
    - meruru 8y ago
      Thanks for the clarification. Those are great news!
    - hawski 8y ago
      Right now is it generally recommended to use Riot or is RiotX stable/good enough? Also is RiotX like a beta channel, so when it's considered complete/stable will an update effectively replace Riot with RiotX for all current users?
      - Arathorn 8y ago
        RiotX is alpha right now, but should be usable day-to-day in a month or so. Once it has parity with Riot we'll replace Riot with it.

nicklaf 8y ago

I don't want to knock the hard work the Riot developers have put into their application, but I just don't understand: why does 'modern' web design seem to require wasting so much white space? Looking at the screenshot on that blog post, the actual chat transcript is somewhere in the middle of the screen (sandwiched between giant sidebars on either side). Compare to irssi (or any other console IRC program), which uses just about the entire width of the terminal to print chat messages. Is this really just a side-effect of developers all having large, high-DPI monitors, making the white space look smaller to them? Because on my tiny little Chromebook, no more than 50% of the screen width is actually used to display chat messages.

Gigablah 8y ago
Why would you want messages to span the entire screen? https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/108801/what-is-the-best-number-of-paragraph-width-for-readability https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/108801/what-is-the-be...
- nicklaf 8y ago
  Because: window managers! http://i.imgur.com/4K0pa6m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4K0pa6m.jpg That said...I must confess that irssi uses a non-trivial amount of margin space as well!
  - johntash 8y ago
    I think some developers either only have one window open at a time, or always use fullscreen/maximized windows. There are so many things that are just difficult to use when windows are tiled to fit ~4 things on one monitor.
  - Freak_NL 8y ago
    The user list on the right can be closed, and the channel list on the left can be collapsed.
  - johnisgood 8y ago
    I use Wire which has a similar problem to Riot. That is now 2 different workspaces just for "chatting" (they take up an entire workspace to be usable, because it wastes space, not good, IMO), then there is another for IRC on which I can also have a browser anyway because the terminal is only 80x24. I stopped using Riot because of it, and I might stop using Wire, too. :/ I hope they will fix it in Wire though, for example, by making the friend list collapsible or something.