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I'm a defender of free speech and am completely against actions like Reddit banning /r/watchpeopledie. But here's the response from Liveleak which (somewhat su
by dpau 8y ago
I'm a defender of free speech and am completely against actions like Reddit banning /r/watchpeopledie. But here's the response from Liveleak which (somewhat surprisingly) I found clarified my own thoughts on the matter: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uSQT_1552831454 https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uSQT_1552831454
Relevant quote:
"Previously we have risked the ire of viewers by refusing to show the glossy promo videos for ISIS. The ones shot on DSLR's, with depth of field, careful framing, and murders stage managed for the camera. Whilst we may carry media showing the most terrible of events we don't want to be a vehicle of choice for those who carry these events out. This is a very important distinction for us."
- huffmsa 8y agoAgreed. There's a difference between propaganda and documentation. Christchurch is grainy helmet cam. Not highly produced propaganda.
- ceejayoz 8y agoGrainy helmet cam can be highly produced propaganda. It seems fairly clear the guy had a social media strategy worked out, of which a live stream was an integral part.
- NeedMoreTea 8y agoJust because it is poorly produced doesn't make it documentation or rule out it being propaganda. I've no interest in seeing the video, but I understand they marked the ammunition clips with messages seen on camera. Several have been quoted in reporting. That sounds very like a deliberate attempt to make a propaganda piece of the footage. I would hope that Liveleak would rule out carrying it on the same justification. Phone cam footage from a victim or innocent bystander is far easier to consider documentation, and make a case it should be seen.
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- megous 8y agoDifference is presumably in the intention, not the video quality.
- huffmsa 8y agoTrue. But it's functional no different than police bodycam footage. It is a documentation of the events as they unfolded. It does not have a message. It doesn't function as propaganda.
- jimjimjim 8y agoThe whole god damn thing was his propaganda! Why did he film it? why publish a rant? why write things on his guns? to try to push his shitville excuse of a view. To embolden other shitists. Do sow fear and anger into the non-shit.
- huffmsa 8y agoSure, it's propaganda, but you have to understand your enemy to defeat them. I'm not interested in this video or the man's opinions. But I strongly believe that the footage should be available so people can see just how horrifying it was. If you want people to take terrorism seriously, they need to really really understand how terrifying it is. Names and numbers don't do that. Watching another human go from walking and talking to stone cold dead in an instant does do that.