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Luck doesn't exist. People take advantage of opportunities, and working hard is one way to be exposed to a greater number of opportunities. What seems like a "

Luck doesn't exist. People take advantage of opportunities, and working hard is one way to be exposed to a greater number of opportunities. What seems like a "lucky break' to the casual observer is very frequently the result of years of work that allowed that person to take advantage of that moment. The moment is also frequently only clear in hindsight, and is often more of a "I heard you know about X, do you have a minute to talk to Y about X?" thing, than a "Here's a crazy promotion!" fairytale.

AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
The post has been heavily downvoted, but I think there is some truth in it: there's no such thing as 100% luck. People who have been born into royal families managed to bring their countries to poverty and their dynasty to an end. People winning the lotteries end up poorer than before. There is 100% "unluck" though: getting an incurable decease cannot be turned around in a positive way
ta1234567890 8y ago
> Luck doesn't exist Tell that to people that were born poor or with a big disability or into an abusive family. Compare their chances and fate with those that were born into a good family with plenty of resources. What do you call the source of that difference? Most people would call it luck.
- threatofrain 8y ago
  The poster may see something worse than luck there; they may see cause. One cannot reroll in life and be reborn as the heir of the Hilton family. Or do people imagine that there’s a global repository of souls which are randomly drawn from when two people have reproductive sex? The contrasting idea to luck is fate. People don’t have as much of a problem with luck as they do with fate.
- strictnein 8y ago
  Yeah, I'm probably splitting hairs somewhat, but that would be fortune and not luck. Also, while that extreme example is somewhat illustrative, I think for most of us it's that we're one of 20+ engineers, illustrators, business-types, etc in a department, and the "luck" we see around us is explained by what I wrote. Luck implies unexplainable randomness. Example: The person who got the promotion was "lucky", because they just happened to have knowledge in a field that was needed. There's no luck there, they spent years learning that information.
Judgmentality 8y ago
> Luck doesn't exist. Or maybe you're just lucky enough that you've never been in a frame of mind to notice its absence? I know nothing of you as an individual, but if we define "luck" as events unfolding in your life beyond your control in a positive manner it's absurd to say it doesn't exist. We are all brought into existence either lucky or unlucky, relatively speaking. Were you born healthy, attractive, tall, rich, smart, with loving parents with a stable income, in a first world country? Or were you born poor, diseased, addicted to crack, and into sex slavery? Yes, there are things you can do to improve your lot in life, but saying luck doesn't exist is a harmful truism. You believe it because it makes you feel in control of your destiny, not because it has any basis in reality. Tell me how you feel about luck after being diagnosed with a terminal illness that will make the rest of your life miserable and deplete the savings you pass onto your grieving loved ones.
- strictnein 8y ago
  I think it was pretty clear the context I was talking about. I wasn't referring to randomness, like with your terminal illness diagnosis. This is the idea of "luck" when discussing "meritocracy" and people being promoted, which I think was kind of clear if you read past the first three words.
  - unreal37 8y ago
    How can you remove "randomness" from luck? What is luck when you remove the random element? No wonder you don't believe in it if you don't think luck includes any element of randomness.
    - AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
      Would "a law of the nature" be the right name for an event without randomness?
OpieCunningham 8y ago
Opportunities are literally luck.
scarface74 8y ago
So the poor person in the inner city who works hard is going to have the same statistical chance of getting ahead as the “hard working” person in the suburbs where the household income is ten times more? I bet you also believe the justice system is fair and that a poor Black teenager caught with weed will be treated the same as a White kid in the burbs...
bitexploder 8y ago
I like the phrasing "increasing your luck surface". But random chance just happens. You won't ever sell a software startup for a billion dollars if you don't start one... but you still probably won't sell one for a big exit, even if you do.
cortesoft 8y ago
So someone who gets cancer at 18 and dies isn’t bad luck? They just needed to take better advantage of their opportunities?
jogjayr 8y ago
There wasn't much effort on my part to be born to highly-educated parents who valued educating their children well. I didn't work especially hard for my mother, a maths PhD, stay at home so that my father's career, which required frequent moves, could advance. Wasn't my work ethic that ensured his career advanced to the extent that he could afford to send me abroad for post-graduate studies (I turned out not to need the financial help in the end, but still). It's not just about parents or upbringing either. Mark Zuckerberg's roommates - Hughes, Moskovitz, and Saverin - were his roommates by luck. What if they'd gone to Yale or Brown or Stanford? Or not been assigned to those rooms? You might say "But they worked hard to get into Harvard and be exposed to those opportunities!" - but so did (almost) everyone else who got into Harvard. Most of the other people from that class aren't billionaires now - they're merely highly successful professionals.

AlexTWithBeard 8y ago

The post has been heavily downvoted, but I think there is some truth in it: there's no such thing as 100% luck. People who have been born into royal families managed to bring their countries to poverty and their dynasty to an end. People winning the lotteries end up poorer than before. There is 100% "unluck" though: getting an incurable decease cannot be turned around in a positive way

ta1234567890 8y ago

> Luck doesn't exist Tell that to people that were born poor or with a big disability or into an abusive family. Compare their chances and fate with those that were born into a good family with plenty of resources. What do you call the source of that difference? Most people would call it luck.

threatofrain 8y ago
The poster may see something worse than luck there; they may see cause. One cannot reroll in life and be reborn as the heir of the Hilton family. Or do people imagine that there’s a global repository of souls which are randomly drawn from when two people have reproductive sex? The contrasting idea to luck is fate. People don’t have as much of a problem with luck as they do with fate.
strictnein 8y ago
Yeah, I'm probably splitting hairs somewhat, but that would be fortune and not luck. Also, while that extreme example is somewhat illustrative, I think for most of us it's that we're one of 20+ engineers, illustrators, business-types, etc in a department, and the "luck" we see around us is explained by what I wrote. Luck implies unexplainable randomness. Example: The person who got the promotion was "lucky", because they just happened to have knowledge in a field that was needed. There's no luck there, they spent years learning that information.

Judgmentality 8y ago

> Luck doesn't exist. Or maybe you're just lucky enough that you've never been in a frame of mind to notice its absence? I know nothing of you as an individual, but if we define "luck" as events unfolding in your life beyond your control in a positive manner it's absurd to say it doesn't exist. We are all brought into existence either lucky or unlucky, relatively speaking. Were you born healthy, attractive, tall, rich, smart, with loving parents with a stable income, in a first world country? Or were you born poor, diseased, addicted to crack, and into sex slavery? Yes, there are things you can do to improve your lot in life, but saying luck doesn't exist is a harmful truism. You believe it because it makes you feel in control of your destiny, not because it has any basis in reality. Tell me how you feel about luck after being diagnosed with a terminal illness that will make the rest of your life miserable and deplete the savings you pass onto your grieving loved ones.

strictnein 8y ago
I think it was pretty clear the context I was talking about. I wasn't referring to randomness, like with your terminal illness diagnosis. This is the idea of "luck" when discussing "meritocracy" and people being promoted, which I think was kind of clear if you read past the first three words.
- unreal37 8y ago
  How can you remove "randomness" from luck? What is luck when you remove the random element? No wonder you don't believe in it if you don't think luck includes any element of randomness.
  - AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
    Would "a law of the nature" be the right name for an event without randomness?

OpieCunningham 8y ago

Opportunities are literally luck.

scarface74 8y ago

So the poor person in the inner city who works hard is going to have the same statistical chance of getting ahead as the “hard working” person in the suburbs where the household income is ten times more? I bet you also believe the justice system is fair and that a poor Black teenager caught with weed will be treated the same as a White kid in the burbs...

bitexploder 8y ago

I like the phrasing "increasing your luck surface". But random chance just happens. You won't ever sell a software startup for a billion dollars if you don't start one... but you still probably won't sell one for a big exit, even if you do.

cortesoft 8y ago

So someone who gets cancer at 18 and dies isn’t bad luck? They just needed to take better advantage of their opportunities?

jogjayr 8y ago

There wasn't much effort on my part to be born to highly-educated parents who valued educating their children well. I didn't work especially hard for my mother, a maths PhD, stay at home so that my father's career, which required frequent moves, could advance. Wasn't my work ethic that ensured his career advanced to the extent that he could afford to send me abroad for post-graduate studies (I turned out not to need the financial help in the end, but still). It's not just about parents or upbringing either. Mark Zuckerberg's roommates - Hughes, Moskovitz, and Saverin - were his roommates by luck. What if they'd gone to Yale or Brown or Stanford? Or not been assigned to those rooms? You might say "But they worked hard to get into Harvard and be exposed to those opportunities!" - but so did (almost) everyone else who got into Harvard. Most of the other people from that class aren't billionaires now - they're merely highly successful professionals.