3 ms·

Shockingly ignorant, as usual. No one in our society is "left to die" because they don't have a job.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
Counterpoints: * Opioid abuse and deaths due to the inability to find employment [1] * Suicides directly related to the inability to find employment [2] * Bonus round: deaths due to inability to afford medical insurance or medical care [3] [4] So maybe not so ignorant. I hope this comment and associated citations helps you update your understanding of the situation! [1] https://www.nber.org/aginghealth/2017no3/w23192.shtml https://www.nber.org/aginghealth/2017no3/w23192.shtml (Are Opioid Deaths Affected by Macroeconomic Conditions?) [2] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1331677X.2018.1484788#_i23 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1331677X.2018.1... (Does unemployment have asymmetric effects on suicide rates? Evidence from the United States: 1928–2013) [3] https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/ (Deaths from a Health Care Bill?) [4] https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/08/raul-labrador/raul-labradors-claim-no-one-dies-lack-health-care-/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may... (Raul Labrador's claim that no one dies from lack of health care access: Pants on Fire)
- towaway1138 8y ago
  I'm aware of these, and to a degree suffer from them directly--I just don't think "left to die" is an appropriate description. Furthermore, the group most affected by these issues, aging white males, are also the group AOC stands most ready to throw under the bus. That is, I think she's a hypocrite on this subject. In any case, hypocrites come and go, but these problems are indeed very important and in need of some organized solutions. Our "oppressive" traditions and social structures have been cast aside, and many jobs have been outsourced to elsewhere. I'm watching the twenty-somethings around me try to deal with this wonderful new society, and it's very sad. In my work, I like to get the new systems working before deleting the old ones...
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    Moving towards Medicare For All is bootstrapping a new system before tearing down the old one, as is many progressive policies (labor regulations, unions, etc).

Counterpoints: * Opioid abuse and deaths due to the inability to find employment [1] * Suicides directly related to the inability to find employment [2] * Bonus round: deaths due to inability to afford medical insurance or medical care [3] [4] So maybe not so ignorant. I hope this comment and associated citations helps you update your understanding of the situation! [1] https://www.nber.org/aginghealth/2017no3/w23192.shtml https://www.nber.org/aginghealth/2017no3/w23192.shtml (Are Opioid Deaths Affected by Macroeconomic Conditions?) [2] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1331677X.2018.1484788#_i23 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1331677X.2018.1... (Does unemployment have asymmetric effects on suicide rates? Evidence from the United States: 1928–2013) [3] https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/deaths-health-care-bill/ (Deaths from a Health Care Bill?) [4] https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/08/raul-labrador/raul-labradors-claim-no-one-dies-lack-health-care-/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may... (Raul Labrador's claim that no one dies from lack of health care access: Pants on Fire)

towaway1138 8y ago
I'm aware of these, and to a degree suffer from them directly--I just don't think "left to die" is an appropriate description. Furthermore, the group most affected by these issues, aging white males, are also the group AOC stands most ready to throw under the bus. That is, I think she's a hypocrite on this subject. In any case, hypocrites come and go, but these problems are indeed very important and in need of some organized solutions. Our "oppressive" traditions and social structures have been cast aside, and many jobs have been outsourced to elsewhere. I'm watching the twenty-somethings around me try to deal with this wonderful new society, and it's very sad. In my work, I like to get the new systems working before deleting the old ones...
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  Moving towards Medicare For All is bootstrapping a new system before tearing down the old one, as is many progressive policies (labor regulations, unions, etc).