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The worst of it is, some states don't let you rescind your citizenship at all. I know at least 2 Iranian born citizens of my country, that cannot travel to thei

The worst of it is, some states don't let you rescind your citizenship at all. I know at least 2 Iranian born citizens of my country, that cannot travel to their family and former friends anymore because of this -- Turkey seems to enforce steps in this regard too lately. Citizenship status should be "opt-in" not "opt-out" or "no option" at all.

barry-cotter 8y ago
Why? Why should other countries accept a Western conception of citizenship as disclaimable? Those other countries are not colonies of anyone, they’re sovereign, they can do as they like and if other countries disagree they can go to war or use some of the other methods countries use to resolved disagreements.
- maze-le 8y ago
  Each individual should have the choice to live in the society they want, that is equally true the other way around -- I don't see a connection to a concoted West-vs-East / colonial argument. You are trying to create an point fo conflict where there is none. If my country would enforce this (It doesn't) I should have the equal opportunity to renounce my german citizenship in favour of the iranian citizenship... This also happens in the West as well. And last but not least, this my opinion, I am not forcing this onto anyone -- and if I am of the opinion that this concept of "citizenship as hostage" is BS, I can make that opinion public. This touches the sovereignty of those states in no way, except when this sovereignty is enforced on people that are not part of the society of that country, and have lived 95% of their lives in another country.
  - jfk13 8y ago
    > Each individual should have the choice to live in the society they want In practice, most societies do not allow arbitrary individuals to choose to come and join them; immigration restrictions are a thing pretty much everywhere.
    - maze-le 8y ago
      This is not a matter of immigration restriction. The people I was referring to in my first comment already are citizens of Germany -- hell they speak better german and have more knowledge about our history and culture than some of my countrymen that were born here. If you have lived 34/35 years in this country and came over with your parents than it is not an "arbitrary choice" you do an a whim. But I know what you mean -- This is an idea of how [in my opinion] it should work, not the way it actually works...
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mr_toad 8y ago
Subject is a much older, and so much more convenient term than citizen, what with the laters’ implications of rights and freedoms.

barry-cotter 8y ago

Why? Why should other countries accept a Western conception of citizenship as disclaimable? Those other countries are not colonies of anyone, they’re sovereign, they can do as they like and if other countries disagree they can go to war or use some of the other methods countries use to resolved disagreements.

maze-le 8y ago
Each individual should have the choice to live in the society they want, that is equally true the other way around -- I don't see a connection to a concoted West-vs-East / colonial argument. You are trying to create an point fo conflict where there is none. If my country would enforce this (It doesn't) I should have the equal opportunity to renounce my german citizenship in favour of the iranian citizenship... This also happens in the West as well. And last but not least, this my opinion, I am not forcing this onto anyone -- and if I am of the opinion that this concept of "citizenship as hostage" is BS, I can make that opinion public. This touches the sovereignty of those states in no way, except when this sovereignty is enforced on people that are not part of the society of that country, and have lived 95% of their lives in another country.
- jfk13 8y ago
  > Each individual should have the choice to live in the society they want In practice, most societies do not allow arbitrary individuals to choose to come and join them; immigration restrictions are a thing pretty much everywhere.
  - maze-le 8y ago
    This is not a matter of immigration restriction. The people I was referring to in my first comment already are citizens of Germany -- hell they speak better german and have more knowledge about our history and culture than some of my countrymen that were born here. If you have lived 34/35 years in this country and came over with your parents than it is not an "arbitrary choice" you do an a whim. But I know what you mean -- This is an idea of how [in my opinion] it should work, not the way it actually works...
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mr_toad 8y ago

Subject is a much older, and so much more convenient term than citizen, what with the laters’ implications of rights and freedoms.