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I agree that the AoA disagree alert (and AoA gauges) should be standard. If you've watched any of Capt. Vanderburgh's videos on youtube you'll know he's got a
by inferiorhuman 8y ago
I agree that the AoA disagree alert (and AoA gauges) should be standard. If you've watched any of Capt. Vanderburgh's videos on youtube you'll know he's got a fair amount of disdain for the lack of AoA indicators on most Boeings.
But, in all fairness, even without the "AoA disagree" indicator there were telltale symptoms on the Lion Air bird that something was wrong with the alpha vane (the sensor in question). The most obvious was that only one stick shaker was going off (each control column has a shaker which only takes input from the alpha vane on its side). That's a pretty obvious symptom.
However on the previous Lion Air flight there were two other symptoms written up in the maintenance log[1]: "IAS (indicated air speed) + ALT disagree shown" and "(elevator) FEEL DIFF PRESS light illuminated". On the MAX, both of those systems take angle-of-attack into account (which is new for the MAX, IIRC).
As an aside, American Airlines 191 had a similar situation. Their DC-10 had only a stick shaker on the captain's control column, a second stick shaker was a paid extra. Boeing, of course, bought McDonnell Douglas years later.
1: http://www.jacdec.de/WP/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2018-10-29_PK-LQP_B737MAX8_LionAir@Jakarta-area_MX-DOC.jpg http://www.jacdec.de/WP/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2018-10-2...
- sexyflanders 8y agoOut of curiosity how is one of two stick shakers activated obvious when each is connected to a different person? Is it common to ask “hey, is your stick shaker going too?” it seems possible that each pilot would assume the other was feelig the same feedback from the stick and go on troubleshooting elsewhere, but I have no experience with this.
- inferiorhuman 8y agoOut of curiosity how is one of two stick shakers activated obvious when each is connected to a different person? Stick shakers are noisy, but I suppose you would also ask and cross check the instruments. If only one stick shaker goes off you'll probably get various "something disagrees" lights going off, which should prompt you to check. Take this for instance: https://aviationweek.com/awin/boeing-addresses-pitot-tube-anomaly-its-737s https://aviationweek.com/awin/boeing-addresses-pitot-tube-an...