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I don't know Indian politics but this reads like a hit-piece if I've ever seen one. Makes you wonder what Moti did to upset western media ;)

by fxfan 8y ago

mayankkaizen 8y ago
He is right wing ultra nationalist hindu fundamentalist leader. Accused of muslim genocide in 2002 which claimed more than 100 lives. Master in harnessing FUD tactics and social media. Friend of big corporates. He wasn't allowed to enter in US until he became prime minister. Doesn't believe in democracy. Anti-intellectual (many have been murdered).
- rudiv 8y ago
  The pogroms in Gujarat in 2002 killed over 1000 people. And one should also add that the BJP's embrace of Hindu chauvinism has caused repeated episodes of lynching throughout the country (as a somewhat relatable phenomenon for Western, there are surely many more events since 2014 that have damaged our country's claim to secular government.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigilante_violence_in_India_since_2014 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigilante_violence_in_In...
- galtwho 8y ago
  He is nationalist leader if he was a fundamentalist then he must have done things representative of that in his 5 yrs in power. Like make India a Hindu nation He is as accused as Obama is accused of killing thousands of Iraqis. again if he doesn't believe in democracy, there must not have been elections in India after 2014, which is patently false. So try again with why western media hates him and always paints democratic India in a negative light even in conflicts against dictators.
  - mayankkaizen 8y ago
    I am Indian. I am not aware of Obama policies but I am sure Obama wasn't directly responsible for any genocide in which Americans were murdered. Modi is accused of genocide which 100s were brutally murdered in his own state where he was chief minister. Now if he is falsely accused is another matter but those accusations are grave and definitely have some basis. Thousands of minorities are harassed on daily basis. Hundreds of intellectuals are threatened on daily basis. Some have even been murdered. I am on mobile but if you are really interested you can find thousands of stories of heinous deeds committed by his followers which are representative of his fundamentalism. He is anti-democracy but that doesn't mean he can stop the process of election as per his wishes. It is just that he can't do much in that regard, given the democratic/power structure. Indira Gandhi was also autocratic in nature but she couldn't do much to harm the basic constitutional structure. Western media hates Trump as well and it accuses Trump of undermining democracy and being racist. Whether western media is correct about Trump is subjective issue but you really can't treat those accusations as simple 'either -or' issues. Truth must be somewhere in between.
    - galtwho 8y ago
      Modi was falsely accused as is evident in Supreme court acquiting the frivolus argument and his election to PM of the largest democracy in the world. so it is a red herring to keep bringing it up. I am a minority NRI and can state clearly that no harassment as you state happens. None of my kith and kin have reported any such incidents on the ground. Unless you can state proof for the anti-democracy claim, it is clearly baseless. With proof you have him praising Putin and Xi and wondering if that is possible in USA. Nothing even remotely similar for Modi, so what gives?
      - rudiv 8y ago
        https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/gauri-lankesh-murder-here-s-a-list-of-writers-and-journalists-killed-in-recent-years/story-LEcs4gq18AIH3WXsalDdOI.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/gauri-lankesh-murd... I thought I'd have to compile a list, but HT did it for me. I don't consider their journalism of high quality, but even they can compile a list of rationalists, intellectuals, journalists and others who have been murdered.
- cc81 8y ago
  Genocide was probably not the word you are looking for there. Actual genocide is a pretty big thing.
  - arjbah 8y ago
    Genocide is what it was. Try googling before you correct someone on an issue you know nothing about.
    - dang 8y ago
      Personal attacks are not allowed here. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart? That means respecting others, regardless of how wrong they are or of how strongly you disagree.
- fxfan 8y ago
  Right now Muslims aren't allowed to enter our country. I wouldn't judge someone based on whether or not they are allowed to enter my country. I would say judging that way would be anti-intellectual.
  - ulam2 8y ago
    Please don't spread false information. I am a Muslim and I know you are lying.
    - imustbeevil 8y ago
      Not sure if you're deliberately misunderstanding, but this is what the person you're responding you is talking about [1]. It is not false information. [1] https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban
      - godelmachine 8y ago
        People are talking about India here, not USA. The link you provided gives a timeline for Trump’s ban on immigrants in USA. Kindly go through the context properly, coz your statements create confusion and propagate false information.
        imustbeevil 8y ago
        Now twice you guys have said something about "false information" when you are the ones misunderstanding and lying. It is literally true that muslims are being banned in America. The thread you are responding to said: > I don't know Indian politics > Right now Muslims aren't allowed to enter our country. That was an American, talking about America. The reason the original person brought this up was because the GP insinuated not trusting Modi because he was banned from entering the US. Currently, certain muslims are banned from entering the US, so it's not a significant measure of credibility.
        8y ago
- ignoramous 8y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted? Perhaps because of exaggerated claims? Citations: Accused of muslim genocide in 2002: 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#Allegations_of_state_complicity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#Allegatio... Master in harnessing FUD tactics and social media: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2edcpc/double_facepalm_pm_narendra_modi_believes_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2edcpc/double_facepa... 2. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjp-plans-a-whatsapp-campaign-for-2019-lok-sabha-election/story-lHQBYbxwXHaChc7Akk6hcI.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjp-plans-a-whatsa... 3. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-social-media-cell-trending-document-hack-inner-workings-1454919-2019-02-13 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-social-media-cell-... 4. https://www.altnews.in/hindu-khatre-mein-hai-how-the-fake-news-ecosystem-targets-minorities-to-create-a-fear-psychosis/ https://www.altnews.in/hindu-khatre-mein-hai-how-the-fake-ne... 5. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3727an/how_does_bjp_justify_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3727an/how_does_bjp_... Friend of big corporates: 1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/JDU-RJD-demand-probe-into-BJPs-land-purchase-in-different-districts-of-Bihar/articleshow/55625386.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/JDU-RJD-deman... 2. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rafale-deal-reliance-hollande-reactions-live-updates-narendra-modi-rahul-gandhi-congress-bjp-5369029/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rafale-deal-reliance... 3. https://rightlog.in/2016/11/reliance-jio-black-money-ambani-demonetization/ https://rightlog.in/2016/11/reliance-jio-black-money-ambani-... 4. https://thewire.in/media/cobrapost-expose-top-paytm-official-claims-that-firm-was-asked-to-share-user-data-with-pmo https://thewire.in/media/cobrapost-expose-top-paytm-official... Doesn't believe in democracy: 1. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/gauri-lankesh-murder-onus-of-punishing-killers-on-state-bjp-karnataka-4832099/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/gauri-lankesh-murder... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/84bmwx/death_of_democracy_foreign_donations_to_political/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/84bmwx/death_of_demo... 3. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/8kjq10/karnataka_election_postresult_showdown_megathread/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/8kjq10/karnataka_ele... 4. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/04/modis-full-court-press-in-india/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/04/modis-full-court-pr...
  - galtwho 8y ago
givan 8y ago
Probably because he continues to import venezuelan and iranian oil despite being told not to.

I don't know Indian politics but this reads like a hit-piece if I've ever seen one. Makes you wonder what Moti did to upset western media ;)

by fxfan 8y ago

I don't know Indian politics but this reads like a hit-piece if I've ever seen one. Makes you wonder what Moti did to upset western media ;)

mayankkaizen 8y ago

He is right wing ultra nationalist hindu fundamentalist leader. Accused of muslim genocide in 2002 which claimed more than 100 lives. Master in harnessing FUD tactics and social media. Friend of big corporates. He wasn't allowed to enter in US until he became prime minister. Doesn't believe in democracy. Anti-intellectual (many have been murdered).

rudiv 8y ago
The pogroms in Gujarat in 2002 killed over 1000 people. And one should also add that the BJP's embrace of Hindu chauvinism has caused repeated episodes of lynching throughout the country (as a somewhat relatable phenomenon for Western, there are surely many more events since 2014 that have damaged our country's claim to secular government.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigilante_violence_in_India_since_2014 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigilante_violence_in_In...
galtwho 8y ago
He is nationalist leader if he was a fundamentalist then he must have done things representative of that in his 5 yrs in power. Like make India a Hindu nation He is as accused as Obama is accused of killing thousands of Iraqis. again if he doesn't believe in democracy, there must not have been elections in India after 2014, which is patently false. So try again with why western media hates him and always paints democratic India in a negative light even in conflicts against dictators.
- mayankkaizen 8y ago
  I am Indian. I am not aware of Obama policies but I am sure Obama wasn't directly responsible for any genocide in which Americans were murdered. Modi is accused of genocide which 100s were brutally murdered in his own state where he was chief minister. Now if he is falsely accused is another matter but those accusations are grave and definitely have some basis. Thousands of minorities are harassed on daily basis. Hundreds of intellectuals are threatened on daily basis. Some have even been murdered. I am on mobile but if you are really interested you can find thousands of stories of heinous deeds committed by his followers which are representative of his fundamentalism. He is anti-democracy but that doesn't mean he can stop the process of election as per his wishes. It is just that he can't do much in that regard, given the democratic/power structure. Indira Gandhi was also autocratic in nature but she couldn't do much to harm the basic constitutional structure. Western media hates Trump as well and it accuses Trump of undermining democracy and being racist. Whether western media is correct about Trump is subjective issue but you really can't treat those accusations as simple 'either -or' issues. Truth must be somewhere in between.
  - galtwho 8y ago
    Modi was falsely accused as is evident in Supreme court acquiting the frivolus argument and his election to PM of the largest democracy in the world. so it is a red herring to keep bringing it up. I am a minority NRI and can state clearly that no harassment as you state happens. None of my kith and kin have reported any such incidents on the ground. Unless you can state proof for the anti-democracy claim, it is clearly baseless. With proof you have him praising Putin and Xi and wondering if that is possible in USA. Nothing even remotely similar for Modi, so what gives?
    - rudiv 8y ago
      https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/gauri-lankesh-murder-here-s-a-list-of-writers-and-journalists-killed-in-recent-years/story-LEcs4gq18AIH3WXsalDdOI.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/gauri-lankesh-murd... I thought I'd have to compile a list, but HT did it for me. I don't consider their journalism of high quality, but even they can compile a list of rationalists, intellectuals, journalists and others who have been murdered.
cc81 8y ago
Genocide was probably not the word you are looking for there. Actual genocide is a pretty big thing.
- arjbah 8y ago
  Genocide is what it was. Try googling before you correct someone on an issue you know nothing about.
  - dang 8y ago
    Personal attacks are not allowed here. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart? That means respecting others, regardless of how wrong they are or of how strongly you disagree.
fxfan 8y ago
Right now Muslims aren't allowed to enter our country. I wouldn't judge someone based on whether or not they are allowed to enter my country. I would say judging that way would be anti-intellectual.
- ulam2 8y ago
  Please don't spread false information. I am a Muslim and I know you are lying.
  - imustbeevil 8y ago
    Not sure if you're deliberately misunderstanding, but this is what the person you're responding you is talking about [1]. It is not false information. [1] https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban
    - godelmachine 8y ago
      People are talking about India here, not USA. The link you provided gives a timeline for Trump’s ban on immigrants in USA. Kindly go through the context properly, coz your statements create confusion and propagate false information.
      - imustbeevil 8y ago
        Now twice you guys have said something about "false information" when you are the ones misunderstanding and lying. It is literally true that muslims are being banned in America. The thread you are responding to said: > I don't know Indian politics > Right now Muslims aren't allowed to enter our country. That was an American, talking about America. The reason the original person brought this up was because the GP insinuated not trusting Modi because he was banned from entering the US. Currently, certain muslims are banned from entering the US, so it's not a significant measure of credibility.
        8y ago
ignoramous 8y ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted? Perhaps because of exaggerated claims? Citations: Accused of muslim genocide in 2002: 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#Allegations_of_state_complicity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#Allegatio... Master in harnessing FUD tactics and social media: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2edcpc/double_facepalm_pm_narendra_modi_believes_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2edcpc/double_facepa... 2. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjp-plans-a-whatsapp-campaign-for-2019-lok-sabha-election/story-lHQBYbxwXHaChc7Akk6hcI.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjp-plans-a-whatsa... 3. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-social-media-cell-trending-document-hack-inner-workings-1454919-2019-02-13 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-social-media-cell-... 4. https://www.altnews.in/hindu-khatre-mein-hai-how-the-fake-news-ecosystem-targets-minorities-to-create-a-fear-psychosis/ https://www.altnews.in/hindu-khatre-mein-hai-how-the-fake-ne... 5. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3727an/how_does_bjp_justify_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3727an/how_does_bjp_... Friend of big corporates: 1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/JDU-RJD-demand-probe-into-BJPs-land-purchase-in-different-districts-of-Bihar/articleshow/55625386.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/JDU-RJD-deman... 2. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rafale-deal-reliance-hollande-reactions-live-updates-narendra-modi-rahul-gandhi-congress-bjp-5369029/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rafale-deal-reliance... 3. https://rightlog.in/2016/11/reliance-jio-black-money-ambani-demonetization/ https://rightlog.in/2016/11/reliance-jio-black-money-ambani-... 4. https://thewire.in/media/cobrapost-expose-top-paytm-official-claims-that-firm-was-asked-to-share-user-data-with-pmo https://thewire.in/media/cobrapost-expose-top-paytm-official... Doesn't believe in democracy: 1. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/gauri-lankesh-murder-onus-of-punishing-killers-on-state-bjp-karnataka-4832099/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/gauri-lankesh-murder... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/84bmwx/death_of_democracy_foreign_donations_to_political/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/84bmwx/death_of_demo... 3. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/8kjq10/karnataka_election_postresult_showdown_megathread/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/8kjq10/karnataka_ele... 4. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/04/modis-full-court-press-in-india/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/04/modis-full-court-pr...
- galtwho 8y ago

givan 8y ago

Probably because he continues to import venezuelan and iranian oil despite being told not to.