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Air Strikes on Pakistan May Win Narendra Modi India’s Election
- fxfan 8y agoI don't know Indian politics but this reads like a hit-piece if I've ever seen one. Makes you wonder what Moti did to upset western media ;)
- mayankkaizen 8y agoHe is right wing ultra nationalist hindu fundamentalist leader. Accused of muslim genocide in 2002 which claimed more than 100 lives. Master in harnessing FUD tactics and social media. Friend of big corporates. He wasn't allowed to enter in US until he became prime minister. Doesn't believe in democracy. Anti-intellectual (many have been murdered).
- rudiv 8y agoThe pogroms in Gujarat in 2002 killed over 1000 people. And one should also add that the BJP's embrace of Hindu chauvinism has caused repeated episodes of lynching throughout the country (as a somewhat relatable phenomenon for Western, there are surely many more events since 2014 that have damaged our country's claim to secular government.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigilante_violence_in_India_since_2014 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigilante_violence_in_In...
- galtwho 8y agoHe is nationalist leader if he was a fundamentalist then he must have done things representative of that in his 5 yrs in power. Like make India a Hindu nation He is as accused as Obama is accused of killing thousands of Iraqis. again if he doesn't believe in democracy, there must not have been elections in India after 2014, which is patently false. So try again with why western media hates him and always paints democratic India in a negative light even in conflicts against dictators.
- mayankkaizen 8y agoI am Indian. I am not aware of Obama policies but I am sure Obama wasn't directly responsible for any genocide in which Americans were murdered. Modi is accused of genocide which 100s were brutally murdered in his own state where he was chief minister. Now if he is falsely accused is another matter but those accusations are grave and definitely have some basis. Thousands of minorities are harassed on daily basis. Hundreds of intellectuals are threatened on daily basis. Some have even been murdered. I am on mobile but if you are really interested you can find thousands of stories of heinous deeds committed by his followers which are representative of his fundamentalism. He is anti-democracy but that doesn't mean he can stop the process of election as per his wishes. It is just that he can't do much in that regard, given the democratic/power structure. Indira Gandhi was also autocratic in nature but she couldn't do much to harm the basic constitutional structure. Western media hates Trump as well and it accuses Trump of undermining democracy and being racist. Whether western media is correct about Trump is subjective issue but you really can't treat those accusations as simple 'either -or' issues. Truth must be somewhere in between.
- galtwho 8y agoModi was falsely accused as is evident in Supreme court acquiting the frivolus argument and his election to PM of the largest democracy in the world. so it is a red herring to keep bringing it up. I am a minority NRI and can state clearly that no harassment as you state happens. None of my kith and kin have reported any such incidents on the ground. Unless you can state proof for the anti-democracy claim, it is clearly baseless. With proof you have him praising Putin and Xi and wondering if that is possible in USA. Nothing even remotely similar for Modi, so what gives?
- rudiv 8y agohttps://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/gauri-lankesh-murder-here-s-a-list-of-writers-and-journalists-killed-in-recent-years/story-LEcs4gq18AIH3WXsalDdOI.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/gauri-lankesh-murd... I thought I'd have to compile a list, but HT did it for me. I don't consider their journalism of high quality, but even they can compile a list of rationalists, intellectuals, journalists and others who have been murdered.
- cc81 8y agoGenocide was probably not the word you are looking for there. Actual genocide is a pretty big thing.
- arjbah 8y agoGenocide is what it was. Try googling before you correct someone on an issue you know nothing about.
- dang 8y agoPersonal attacks are not allowed here. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart? That means respecting others, regardless of how wrong they are or of how strongly you disagree.
- fxfan 8y agoRight now Muslims aren't allowed to enter our country. I wouldn't judge someone based on whether or not they are allowed to enter my country. I would say judging that way would be anti-intellectual.
- ulam2 8y agoPlease don't spread false information. I am a Muslim and I know you are lying.
- imustbeevil 8y agoNot sure if you're deliberately misunderstanding, but this is what the person you're responding you is talking about [1]. It is not false information. [1] https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban
- godelmachine 8y agoPeople are talking about India here, not USA. The link you provided gives a timeline for Trump’s ban on immigrants in USA. Kindly go through the context properly, coz your statements create confusion and propagate false information.
- imustbeevil 8y agoNow twice you guys have said something about "false information" when you are the ones misunderstanding and lying. It is literally true that muslims are being banned in America. The thread you are responding to said: > I don't know Indian politics > Right now Muslims aren't allowed to enter our country. That was an American, talking about America. The reason the original person brought this up was because the GP insinuated not trusting Modi because he was banned from entering the US. Currently, certain muslims are banned from entering the US, so it's not a significant measure of credibility.
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- ignoramous 8y agoNot sure why you're being downvoted? Perhaps because of exaggerated claims? Citations: Accused of muslim genocide in 2002: 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#Allegations_of_state_complicity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots#Allegatio... Master in harnessing FUD tactics and social media: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2edcpc/double_facepalm_pm_narendra_modi_believes_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2edcpc/double_facepa... 2. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjp-plans-a-whatsapp-campaign-for-2019-lok-sabha-election/story-lHQBYbxwXHaChc7Akk6hcI.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjp-plans-a-whatsa... 3. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-social-media-cell-trending-document-hack-inner-workings-1454919-2019-02-13 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-social-media-cell-... 4. https://www.altnews.in/hindu-khatre-mein-hai-how-the-fake-news-ecosystem-targets-minorities-to-create-a-fear-psychosis/ https://www.altnews.in/hindu-khatre-mein-hai-how-the-fake-ne... 5. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3727an/how_does_bjp_justify_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3727an/how_does_bjp_... Friend of big corporates: 1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/JDU-RJD-demand-probe-into-BJPs-land-purchase-in-different-districts-of-Bihar/articleshow/55625386.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/JDU-RJD-deman... 2. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rafale-deal-reliance-hollande-reactions-live-updates-narendra-modi-rahul-gandhi-congress-bjp-5369029/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rafale-deal-reliance... 3. https://rightlog.in/2016/11/reliance-jio-black-money-ambani-demonetization/ https://rightlog.in/2016/11/reliance-jio-black-money-ambani-... 4. https://thewire.in/media/cobrapost-expose-top-paytm-official-claims-that-firm-was-asked-to-share-user-data-with-pmo https://thewire.in/media/cobrapost-expose-top-paytm-official... Doesn't believe in democracy: 1. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/gauri-lankesh-murder-onus-of-punishing-killers-on-state-bjp-karnataka-4832099/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/gauri-lankesh-murder... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/84bmwx/death_of_democracy_foreign_donations_to_political/ https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/84bmwx/death_of_demo... 3. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/8kjq10/karnataka_election_postresult_showdown_megathread/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/8kjq10/karnataka_ele... 4. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/04/modis-full-court-press-in-india/ https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/04/modis-full-court-pr...
- galtwho 8y ago
- givan 8y agoProbably because he continues to import venezuelan and iranian oil despite being told not to.
- skilled 8y agoIt must have been so hard for him to utter the words, "Yes. Please press the 'fire' button!".
- ulam2 8y agoYes. Calling airstrike on a non friendly nuclear state would be hard.
- iamgopal 8y agoNot at all. He actually provided millions of toilets, thousands of kilometres of road and rail, electrified almost all India, help opened bank account with insurance to all Indians, and many things more. This groundwork will make him win the election. This air strike is just "sone pe suhaga".
- dpacmittal 8y agoSurprised to see his IT Cell active on HN as well.
- ai_ia 8y agoSo, anyone who claims that Modi is good for India, must be a paid stooge?
- throwawaysea 8y agoPlease don’t accuse others of being shills or otherwise malicious actors without evidence. This is against HN’s guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ulam2 8y agoThis. This is a problem with lot of Indians these days. They can't digest someone can genuinely appreciate positive side of modi or the current government. No one is perfect. Supreme court did not convict modi for 2002. Respect the judiciary.
- rudiv 8y agowoosh
- mayankkaizen 8y agoI work in Power sector in India. The claim he electrified all the villages is pure lie and publicity gimmick. Much of Rural electrification work was done under RGGVY scheme (Congress) . Only minor and finishing part was completed under DDUGJY (BJP). Also, his original claim was 100% electrification. I have worked in Ladakh region of JK state which is most inaccessible and backward area and I can tell you that there are many areas in Ladakh which are still unelectrified.
- galtwho 8y agoNot responding to the terror attack would likely have painted Prime Minister Modi is a very weak light. Indian people have become tired of ignoring the 1000 cuts policy of Pakistan and appreciated a PM willing to call Pakitan's N bluff.
- proy24 8y agoPeople of India need to realize that Pollution not Pakistan is it's biggest enemy.
- hiyer 8y agoNo it's not. India's biggest enemy is another P - population.
- proy24 8y agoNo its not. Population is it's biggest strength...if India educates it's young people, invests in clean energy and brings about meaningful social change instead of stirring up nationalistic fervour..this century will be the century on India.
- hiyer 8y agoUnfortunately the first is a big if. The people who are having 4, 5, 6 kids or more are not interested in getting them educated. This only perpetuates the cycle of illiteracy and poverty.
- billfruit 8y agoHe is at the core a hindu fundamentalist, and the fastest India can get over him and his party, the faster India can transition to a fully westernized liberal society and government. He runs his government like a PR machine for himself, while reform and progress has all but stalled under his watch. Free speech and Free press are under threat in India now. The day in which McDonald's can sell their big Mac in India is farther now, than ever. For all its good points, I find Indian constitution a weak document, insufficiently protecting the citizens from abuse of power by the government. The federal structure is half formed, states not having enough freedom to pursue policy. The tort law has not yet been codified, civil law is weak, forcing most matters to be adjudicated through criminal law, which is bad for plaintiffs. Most ills of India n life like poor regard for people's safety and well-being can be traced to the lack of a tort law, yet nothing has been done for it by the government.The similary lack of effective recourse to class-action litigation. In addition to all that, problems in Kashmir appears no nearer to solution, rather it has deteriorated. Only way any progress can be made looks to be comprehensive negotiations with all stake holders, yet this Government has never shown willingness to do so and has even shutdown the elected legislative of that state.
- throwawaysea 8y ago> the fastest India can get over him and his party, the faster India can transition to a fully westernized society and government. Wow. This reads like a call for cultural genocide, and reeks of white supremacist undertones. Having a “western” society is not likely the goal of Indian society, and nor should it be. Why is that the benchmark? I am not even sure that’s the right thing for us.
- dang 8y agoPlease don't jump straight to extreme political labeling. Even if someone said something questionable, responding like this leaves nowhere to go except flamewar. This is one reason we have this guideline: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- baybal2 8y agoI'm very surprised seeing this making it to hn. Few weeks ago, I was transiting through Delhi to Astana. Flight got cancelled, I got stuck in Delhi, and was told to GTFO out of the country till the end the day or be sent to immigration jail. Had to buy a last minute ticket to Dubai for cash at the counter for 1k :(
- godelmachine 8y agoWere you on the last day of your stay permit? If that’s the case, any country would do the same.
- baybal2 8y agoI was transiting visa free under 24 hour airside transit.
- galtwho 8y agoclearly last day then, so what is your beef?
- baybal2 8y agoStill, not the best experience, and a normal country would've showed at least a degree of flexibility when such things happen due to a force majeure. Last time I got stuck in Qatar, I was given a gift card, and hotel stay paid by an airline. A very different experience.
- godelmachine 8y agoDefine a normal country please and kindly give an example of any country which shows flexibility. May I ask if the country whose citizen you are shows flexibility?
- baybal2 8y ago
- throwawaysea 8y agoI was able to find, with some quick googling, lots of evidence that Modi’s government is generally functional and has a fair list of achievements. Frankly this makes me think the Indian political system is more functional than we have been led to believe: https://www.quora.com/What-has-the-Modi-government-achieved-since-coming-to-power https://www.quora.com/What-has-the-Modi-government-achieved-... Coverage of Modi in our media, focusing on him being painted as a “nationalist”, immediately raises red flags for me. Why is it strange that someone in a different country would want to defend their culture against Western influence, especially after the history of colonization?
- xrisk 8y agoForgive me if I don’t count a Quora answer as “evidence”.
- imustbeevil 8y agoWell I don't have any evidence either way, but between a Quora answer and what you've written, I have to imagine the Quora answer has more information. Telling someone else to produce more significant evidence for you isn't the best way to convince people that what you're saying is true.
- happytoexplain 8y agoYou're speaking as though quora is the only source of information on this when the very premise of the OP was that it's an alternative to the entirety of news. And you also imply that the parent post was somehow presenting itself as an alternative to quora, when they were quite clearly saying they simply wouldn't trust quora, which seems like a reasonable position. It sounds like maybe you took something about it personally.
- imustbeevil 8y ago> You're speaking as though quora is the only source of information on this I claimed that the Quora thread probably had more information than a comment complaining about the quality of the thread. > It sounds like maybe you took something about it personally. I take everything personally. Your words are showing up in front of people. If the things you're saying are wrong it creates a negative externality for the world around you.
- dang 8y agoAll: this thread went deep into flamewar hell. We ban accounts that post like this repeatedly, as you'll see if you look through the bowels of this thread, not that I recommend it. If you can't remain strictly respectful in your comments here, regardless of how wrong another comment is or how strongly you feel, then please don't post. The entire submission was off-topic to begin with. We don't want garden-variety politics, horse-race takes, or flamewar fodder on Hacker News. None of that gratifies intellectual curiosity, the purpose of the site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bobbydreamer 8y agoPolitics in hn i didn't sign-up for this