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Pale moon forums is full of conspiracy theories on how Mozilla has been taken over by "SJWS." That, along with the horrible temper of the author, really discour

by bepvte 8y ago

Pale moon forums is full of conspiracy theories on how Mozilla has been taken over by "SJWS." That, along with the horrible temper of the author, really discourages me from using or trusting it.

sandov 8y ago
The SJW movement has definitely permeated Mozilla, "taken over" might be an exaggeration though.
- chx 8y ago
  Let's draw a line in the sand -- it was, I feel, drawn in the sand by the blood of 49 innocents. And let's never again stand for people utter such things ever again without being called out. As someone who had a part in building and advocating for the Internet (I worked as a columnist in the nineties and a lead software architect for two social news websites 2006-2010) just to see it being turned into a breeding ground of hate, I need to do something and this is what I will do. So, what do you even call an SJW movement?
  - sanxiyn 8y ago
    SJW movement is movement such as trying to fire Brendan Eich over political donation.
    - chx 8y ago
      Call a spade a spade as I said above, I am done with people twisting words to cover hate, no more. "Over political donation"? Brendan Eich paid money to oppose the marriage of consenting adults just because they happen to be of the same gender. Several people didn't want to work with him after doing so. It's very hard to argue such a position would agree with the Mozilla Manifesto https://www.mozilla.org/en-CA/about/manifesto/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-CA/about/manifesto/ .
      - sanxiyn 8y ago
        We all work with people with absurd beliefs. You can stand it. For example, I work with people who believe in God, which is ridiculous.
        dang 8y ago
        No religious flamewar here, either, please.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - ougij 8y ago
    What the fuck has the New Zealand shooting to do with SJWs in Mozilla?
  - sandov 8y ago
    I'm sorry but I didn't quite understand the first paragraph of your comment. English is not my native language. What I call the SJW movement is people who see the world as a battle between races, genders, sexual orientations instead of seeing every individual as a separate entity with their own virtues and weaknesses. They often discriminate against people who belong to "privileged groups" and favor "marginalized" people in some sort of revenge for unjust things that happened in the past against these marginalized groups (and maybe for some unjust things that may still happen), and generally support positive discrimination, and even state interference in order to reach some sort of equality between these different groups of people assuming that if those things hadn't happened in the first place every group would behave the same way.
    - bepvte 8y ago
      This is how you define the SJW movement, while I just consider it a group of people who want to make it socially unacceptable to call people like me slurs. Maybe if we stop grouping people in these broad and vague ways, like for example some particularly person labelling you a 'nazi', or 'racist' or beliefs no where near what that label entails, because you happen to have an opinion shared with someone who is actually a nazi. (This sentence was hard to write and maybe even harder for people to read, so I just want to make clear that I am not calling you or your beliefs 'nazi' or 'racist')
      - bepvte 8y ago
        Looks like I didnt finish the sentence either :(. I meant to say that getting rid of these dumb and broad labels might lead to some progress and compromise and understand.
  - bepvte 8y ago
    I think its a movement that encompasses everyone who believes in respecting everyone despite their identity, and is led specifically by those who publically make embarrassing mistakes or get angry in a way that is easy to villainize or make fun of.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't use HN for fiery ideological rhetoric, regardless of which views you prefer. It isn't what this site is for, and it burns it up for what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by bepvte 8y ago

Pale moon forums is full of conspiracy theories on how Mozilla has been taken over by "SJWS." That, along with the horrible temper of the author, really discourages me from using or trusting it.

sandov 8y ago

The SJW movement has definitely permeated Mozilla, "taken over" might be an exaggeration though.

chx 8y ago
Let's draw a line in the sand -- it was, I feel, drawn in the sand by the blood of 49 innocents. And let's never again stand for people utter such things ever again without being called out. As someone who had a part in building and advocating for the Internet (I worked as a columnist in the nineties and a lead software architect for two social news websites 2006-2010) just to see it being turned into a breeding ground of hate, I need to do something and this is what I will do. So, what do you even call an SJW movement?
- sanxiyn 8y ago
  SJW movement is movement such as trying to fire Brendan Eich over political donation.
  - chx 8y ago
    Call a spade a spade as I said above, I am done with people twisting words to cover hate, no more. "Over political donation"? Brendan Eich paid money to oppose the marriage of consenting adults just because they happen to be of the same gender. Several people didn't want to work with him after doing so. It's very hard to argue such a position would agree with the Mozilla Manifesto https://www.mozilla.org/en-CA/about/manifesto/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-CA/about/manifesto/ .
    - sanxiyn 8y ago
      We all work with people with absurd beliefs. You can stand it. For example, I work with people who believe in God, which is ridiculous.
      - dang 8y ago
        No religious flamewar here, either, please.
- deleted 8y ago
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- ougij 8y ago
  What the fuck has the New Zealand shooting to do with SJWs in Mozilla?
- sandov 8y ago
  I'm sorry but I didn't quite understand the first paragraph of your comment. English is not my native language. What I call the SJW movement is people who see the world as a battle between races, genders, sexual orientations instead of seeing every individual as a separate entity with their own virtues and weaknesses. They often discriminate against people who belong to "privileged groups" and favor "marginalized" people in some sort of revenge for unjust things that happened in the past against these marginalized groups (and maybe for some unjust things that may still happen), and generally support positive discrimination, and even state interference in order to reach some sort of equality between these different groups of people assuming that if those things hadn't happened in the first place every group would behave the same way.
  - bepvte 8y ago
    This is how you define the SJW movement, while I just consider it a group of people who want to make it socially unacceptable to call people like me slurs. Maybe if we stop grouping people in these broad and vague ways, like for example some particularly person labelling you a 'nazi', or 'racist' or beliefs no where near what that label entails, because you happen to have an opinion shared with someone who is actually a nazi. (This sentence was hard to write and maybe even harder for people to read, so I just want to make clear that I am not calling you or your beliefs 'nazi' or 'racist')
    - bepvte 8y ago
      Looks like I didnt finish the sentence either :(. I meant to say that getting rid of these dumb and broad labels might lead to some progress and compromise and understand.
- bepvte 8y ago
  I think its a movement that encompasses everyone who believes in respecting everyone despite their identity, and is led specifically by those who publically make embarrassing mistakes or get angry in a way that is easy to villainize or make fun of.
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't use HN for fiery ideological rhetoric, regardless of which views you prefer. It isn't what this site is for, and it burns it up for what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html