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BSD: Due to resistance from the BSD community to adhere to normal free software development practices, we currently have no plans to have official Pale Moon rel

BSD: Due to resistance from the BSD community to adhere to normal free software development practices, we currently have no plans to have official Pale Moon releases of any kind on the range of BSD operating systems. Anyone got the story on this one?

EamonnMR 8y ago
https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86
Ashymad 8y ago
Yeah, but rather than "resistance from BSD community" I would call it "Pale Moon developers being huge d* * *s" https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86
- berti 8y ago
  Wow, those guys sure know how to not make friends. Last I checked choice of bundled or system libraries is normally reserved for distro packagers, and one would really hope the system libs win out wherever possible!
- reaperducer 8y ago
  Wow, that got out of hand quickly. Like in a matter of minutes. At first I was thinking, "Oh, neat. A browser I know nothing about. Maybe I'll give it a try." After reading how multiple Pale Moon people acted in that thread, I'll pass. I've worked with people like that in the past, and I don't want to support them in any way, or validate their work.
- rezonant 8y ago
  As far as I can tell, they don't even have a trademark on Pale Moon (EDIT): Ah shucks, USPTO TESS links don't work correctly. Anyway just search for "Pale Moon", I couldn't find anything relevant. http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/
kbrosnan 8y ago
The palemoon author threatened to sue OpenBSD 3 hours after a trademark violation request was submitted. https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86
- kalenx 8y ago
  Worse than that: he threatened to sue OpenBSD 3 hours after the OpenBSD developer working on the port specifically asked for permission to use different compile flags on Palemoon forums!
  - duskwuff 8y ago
    Wait, this just gets weirder the closer you look at it. Pale Moon's developers will threaten legal action if you use the wrong compile flags for their software??!
    - tedunangst 8y ago
      Adding custom flags to a configure script is just so far outside the norms of free software development, what else can they do?
    - ufo 8y ago
      Mozilla Firefox also has a similar clause in their license agreement. Modified versions of the browser are not allowed to use the Firefox trademark, which is why Debian for years would use the Iceweasel name instead. I don't think MOzilla ever threatened legal action out of the gate like that though.
oh_sigh 8y ago
I'm also curious about their reasoning, since they have an OS X release in development. What is it about BSD that doesn't adhere to normal free software development practices, but OS X does?

EamonnMR 8y ago

https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86

Ashymad 8y ago

Yeah, but rather than "resistance from BSD community" I would call it "Pale Moon developers being huge d* * *s" https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86

berti 8y ago
Wow, those guys sure know how to not make friends. Last I checked choice of bundled or system libraries is normally reserved for distro packagers, and one would really hope the system libs win out wherever possible!
reaperducer 8y ago
Wow, that got out of hand quickly. Like in a matter of minutes. At first I was thinking, "Oh, neat. A browser I know nothing about. Maybe I'll give it a try." After reading how multiple Pale Moon people acted in that thread, I'll pass. I've worked with people like that in the past, and I don't want to support them in any way, or validate their work.
rezonant 8y ago
As far as I can tell, they don't even have a trademark on Pale Moon (EDIT): Ah shucks, USPTO TESS links don't work correctly. Anyway just search for "Pale Moon", I couldn't find anything relevant. http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/

kbrosnan 8y ago

The palemoon author threatened to sue OpenBSD 3 hours after a trademark violation request was submitted. https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86

kalenx 8y ago
Worse than that: he threatened to sue OpenBSD 3 hours after the OpenBSD developer working on the port specifically asked for permission to use different compile flags on Palemoon forums!
- duskwuff 8y ago
  Wait, this just gets weirder the closer you look at it. Pale Moon's developers will threaten legal action if you use the wrong compile flags for their software??!
  - tedunangst 8y ago
    Adding custom flags to a configure script is just so far outside the norms of free software development, what else can they do?
  - ufo 8y ago
    Mozilla Firefox also has a similar clause in their license agreement. Modified versions of the browser are not allowed to use the Firefox trademark, which is why Debian for years would use the Iceweasel name instead. I don't think MOzilla ever threatened legal action out of the gate like that though.

oh_sigh 8y ago

I'm also curious about their reasoning, since they have an OS X release in development. What is it about BSD that doesn't adhere to normal free software development practices, but OS X does?