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In the book "Why We Sleep" the author writes about how some people are naturally night owls and it damages their health to be forced into a morning routine (e.g

by ronyeh 8y ago

In the book "Why We Sleep" the author writes about how some people are naturally night owls and it damages their health to be forced into a morning routine (e.g., waking up early for school). https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/style/sleep-problem-late-night.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/style/sleep-problem-late-... According to Dr. Walker, about 40 percent of the population are morning people, 30 percent are evening people, and the remainder land somewhere in between. “Night owls are not owls by choice,” he writes. “They are bound to a delayed schedule by unavoidable DNA hard wiring. It is not their conscious fault, but rather their genetic fate.”

Mizza 8y ago
That book actually put me on the track to taking this idea seriously. I'm absolutely a natural night owl and I felt like my whole life I've been considered lazy by other people because I'm not bright eyed and bushy tailed in the morning, even though I think I have far more productive output that most of my peers - I just do it all in the hours while they're sleeping. Finding out that there's an actual cause besides thinking that I'm just a lazy person was a real revelation for me. Is it too much to ask for to wake up naturally, exercise a bit, have a solid meal, then get down to business when I'm ready for it rather than having a stressed out mad scramble every single morning?
- divan 8y ago
  I'd rather be cautious with such assessments like "absolutely a natural night owl" – at least until we're able to tell that from the genome directly, haha. I'm a night owl myself, but around 10 years ago I've accidentally switched to the 10pm-5am sleep pattern and those were happiest and most productive months of my life. I was waking up without alarm and was jumping out of bed, quite literally. I dream to return to that pattern again and have been trying to do so since then (no luck so far).
  - pseudalopex 8y ago
    Studies have identified genetic markers associated with self-reported "morningness" near genes known to affect circadian rhythm.
cimmanom 8y ago
And daylight savings only makes this worse.
kokokokoko 8y ago
This "type of person" kind of study and discussion is fairly dangerous stuff historically. It's quite literally what lead to the Nazi Holocaust. And is common fuel for the type of terrorist attack we just had in New Zealand. I understand you do not mean that. And sleep schedules are pretty harmless, but know that this type of discussion on the internet is leading to a lot of scary stuff.
- COGlory 8y ago
  You can't be serious? People are different. Dear God, to say that lead to the Holocaust is just absolute insanity. There are so many more things that lead to the Holocaust than just "people are different".
  - kokokokoko 8y ago
    The Holocaust and the events that lead up to it were directly related to new studies about DNA and genetics. That exact line of thinking is what caused the Nazi population to pick out specific groups as a whole. And currently, as we speak more and more violence is spreading based on people looking at others as genetically different. Of course sleep schedules are pretty tame stuff. I'm just asking us all to please be to mindful of those who may misinterpret our discussions.
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    - blackflame7000 8y ago
      You are confusing genetics with eugenics.
    - xkcd-sucks 8y ago
      The Holocaust was a result of value judgements placed on genetics, and the privilege enjoyed by morning people is too.
    - tuesdayrain 8y ago
dorgo 8y ago
I'm neither. I just need 6-9 hours of sleep regularly (going to bed at the same time). It takes 3 to 4 days to adjust to an other schedule (with difficulties during that period). So going out on weekends means I can't wake up early during week days.

by ronyeh 8y ago

Mizza 8y ago

That book actually put me on the track to taking this idea seriously. I'm absolutely a natural night owl and I felt like my whole life I've been considered lazy by other people because I'm not bright eyed and bushy tailed in the morning, even though I think I have far more productive output that most of my peers - I just do it all in the hours while they're sleeping. Finding out that there's an actual cause besides thinking that I'm just a lazy person was a real revelation for me. Is it too much to ask for to wake up naturally, exercise a bit, have a solid meal, then get down to business when I'm ready for it rather than having a stressed out mad scramble every single morning?

divan 8y ago
I'd rather be cautious with such assessments like "absolutely a natural night owl" – at least until we're able to tell that from the genome directly, haha. I'm a night owl myself, but around 10 years ago I've accidentally switched to the 10pm-5am sleep pattern and those were happiest and most productive months of my life. I was waking up without alarm and was jumping out of bed, quite literally. I dream to return to that pattern again and have been trying to do so since then (no luck so far).
- pseudalopex 8y ago
  Studies have identified genetic markers associated with self-reported "morningness" near genes known to affect circadian rhythm.

cimmanom 8y ago

And daylight savings only makes this worse.

kokokokoko 8y ago

This "type of person" kind of study and discussion is fairly dangerous stuff historically. It's quite literally what lead to the Nazi Holocaust. And is common fuel for the type of terrorist attack we just had in New Zealand. I understand you do not mean that. And sleep schedules are pretty harmless, but know that this type of discussion on the internet is leading to a lot of scary stuff.

COGlory 8y ago
You can't be serious? People are different. Dear God, to say that lead to the Holocaust is just absolute insanity. There are so many more things that lead to the Holocaust than just "people are different".
- kokokokoko 8y ago
  The Holocaust and the events that lead up to it were directly related to new studies about DNA and genetics. That exact line of thinking is what caused the Nazi population to pick out specific groups as a whole. And currently, as we speak more and more violence is spreading based on people looking at others as genetically different. Of course sleep schedules are pretty tame stuff. I'm just asking us all to please be to mindful of those who may misinterpret our discussions.
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  - blackflame7000 8y ago
    You are confusing genetics with eugenics.
  - xkcd-sucks 8y ago
    The Holocaust was a result of value judgements placed on genetics, and the privilege enjoyed by morning people is too.
  - tuesdayrain 8y ago

dorgo 8y ago

I'm neither. I just need 6-9 hours of sleep regularly (going to bed at the same time). It takes 3 to 4 days to adjust to an other schedule (with difficulties during that period). So going out on weekends means I can't wake up early during week days.