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In other news, don't bother putting your content on 3rd party websites, it'll just be deleted and you'll have wasted your time. Set up a server, and a donation

by mavhc 8y ago

In other news, don't bother putting your content on 3rd party websites, it'll just be deleted and you'll have wasted your time. Set up a server, and a donation button, with a countdown timer for when the server will be deleted if no one donates, if it's useful people should pay to keep it going

ghaff 8y ago
And eventually people will stop donating (if they ever did) or you'll lose interest and the content will be deleted anyway. So basically don't bother. Everything will get deleted someday anyway. (Unless it's saved by the Internet Archive which may or may not be around forever (as in a very long time). Which is a bit worrying itself.)
- dredmorbius 8y ago
  "Over time, all data approaches deleted, or public." -- Quinn Norton https://medium.com/message/hello-future-pastebin-readers-39d9b4eb935f https://medium.com/message/hello-future-pastebin-readers-39d...
  - ghaff 8y ago
    Even public is no guarantee over the long term. But it's better than assuming private will be.
- the_pwner224 8y ago
  This is a great selling point of distributed systems like IPFS <ipfs.io> and BitTorrent. With most online services, some entity X (Google in this case) says 'I will host this data.' Eventually it stops being worth it for X to host that data, and the data is lost forever (unless someone archives it like this case, which just changes the X to some other entity). With distributed content sharing networks, the data is retained as long as anyone is willing to bear the cost of storing and distributing it. After I upload a file I may eventually decide that it is no longer worth sharing, but as long as someone thinks it is a useful file to share they can have it seeding from their computer. The file is only permanently gone once nobody thinks it's worth sharing. And with a large population on these networks, that is equivalent to the file having no actual value - except for historical research perhaps. This is actually better than what the parent (mavhc) suggested, because with the donation method there is still one entity in charge of sharing the data. Others can archive and share it (if allowed by the primary entity), but there is still a discoverability problem that is solved by IPFS/BT.
  - 0815test 8y ago
    Hoarding lots of data is the kind of thing that becomes really, really cheap to do (per GB) once you do it at scale, and is not-so-cheap otherwise. I think we need both, the big centralized hosters like the Archive, and the distribution that IPFS provides. But the latter mostly as a last resort, to keep lots of copies around of the most socially valuable stuff, that we wouldn't want to lose even in a disaster scenario.
  - Avamander 8y ago
    Actually BitTorrent suffers torrent-rot thanks to the DRM that are private trackers, not a single mainstream client offers you the ability to just DHT/PEX/LSD(LPD) a torrent which means if the trackers go down the torrents die. I find it a big concern, even more so in the future. If ipfs suffers the same problem - noone knows which hash to look up - the files will be irrevocably lost.
    - dvtrn 8y ago
      Isn't tracker "rot" what magnet links were meant to solve or have I misunderstood that?
      - Avamander 8y ago
        Magnet links can't solve it if the torrent is marked private. There's no DHT, PEX and LSD(LPD).

by mavhc 8y ago

ghaff 8y ago

And eventually people will stop donating (if they ever did) or you'll lose interest and the content will be deleted anyway. So basically don't bother. Everything will get deleted someday anyway. (Unless it's saved by the Internet Archive which may or may not be around forever (as in a very long time). Which is a bit worrying itself.)

dredmorbius 8y ago
"Over time, all data approaches deleted, or public." -- Quinn Norton https://medium.com/message/hello-future-pastebin-readers-39d9b4eb935f https://medium.com/message/hello-future-pastebin-readers-39d...
- ghaff 8y ago
  Even public is no guarantee over the long term. But it's better than assuming private will be.
the_pwner224 8y ago
This is a great selling point of distributed systems like IPFS <ipfs.io> and BitTorrent. With most online services, some entity X (Google in this case) says 'I will host this data.' Eventually it stops being worth it for X to host that data, and the data is lost forever (unless someone archives it like this case, which just changes the X to some other entity). With distributed content sharing networks, the data is retained as long as anyone is willing to bear the cost of storing and distributing it. After I upload a file I may eventually decide that it is no longer worth sharing, but as long as someone thinks it is a useful file to share they can have it seeding from their computer. The file is only permanently gone once nobody thinks it's worth sharing. And with a large population on these networks, that is equivalent to the file having no actual value - except for historical research perhaps. This is actually better than what the parent (mavhc) suggested, because with the donation method there is still one entity in charge of sharing the data. Others can archive and share it (if allowed by the primary entity), but there is still a discoverability problem that is solved by IPFS/BT.
- 0815test 8y ago
  Hoarding lots of data is the kind of thing that becomes really, really cheap to do (per GB) once you do it at scale, and is not-so-cheap otherwise. I think we need both, the big centralized hosters like the Archive, and the distribution that IPFS provides. But the latter mostly as a last resort, to keep lots of copies around of the most socially valuable stuff, that we wouldn't want to lose even in a disaster scenario.
- Avamander 8y ago
  Actually BitTorrent suffers torrent-rot thanks to the DRM that are private trackers, not a single mainstream client offers you the ability to just DHT/PEX/LSD(LPD) a torrent which means if the trackers go down the torrents die. I find it a big concern, even more so in the future. If ipfs suffers the same problem - noone knows which hash to look up - the files will be irrevocably lost.
  - dvtrn 8y ago
    Isn't tracker "rot" what magnet links were meant to solve or have I misunderstood that?
    - Avamander 8y ago
      Magnet links can't solve it if the torrent is marked private. There's no DHT, PEX and LSD(LPD).