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In this case, the bribes went to individuals at the universities, and not the universities themselves.

pgeorgi 8y ago
So effectively somebody tried to cut out the middle man and the universities worried about their income stream (ie getting their cut)?
- krastanov 8y ago
  That income stream is what lets prestigious universities like the Ivies give great financial aid. Many people graduate from them with paying zero tuition. I can certainly complain about the efficiency with which this income is used and there are minor changes I would like to see to make this more transparent and clearly ethical, but it would be disingenuous to pretend they do not offer some of the best financial aid in the US.
  - hubxhiud 8y ago
    What a joke, the Ivy leagues are mostly hedgefunds and REITs with some education signaling attached. Losing out on a few extra rich people 'grants' are a rounding error.
    - zebraflask 8y ago
      As an Ivy grad, I think that that is an excessively cynical and inaccurate view. The educational value is real, regardless of how the universities handle their financials.
- jacobolus 8y ago
  What the universities do (taking students in exchange for a donation of a new building or whatever) is not meritocratic, but it isn’t illegal. They are private institutions empowered to make shady deals. Individual employees taking bribes to put students in by pretending they are athletes is clear fraud.
- peteradio 8y ago
  So I am a supermarket employee, I'll just cut out the middle man and pocket the money. What a stupid fucking argument justifying this fraud.
  - pgeorgi 8y ago
    These students (or their parents) still paid the regular fees for the degree, didn't they?
    - peteradio 8y ago
      You don't buy a degree. You earn it by consuming resources provided by the University and putting in effort to learn. If the University is going to take on flunky frank for a million extra dollars due to the extra resources they will ultimately provide for his dumbass then that is up to them to make that calculation. Now if jimmy the soccer coach wants to make a little side dollerz by committing fraud to include dumby diane on his roster and falsifying her info then that denies the University to make a decision on how many additional resources diane will consume in passing her classes. Because fraud, fraud fraud fraud fraud. You know fraud. You like fraud? Fraud is ok? Someone else once did a fraud therefore everybody should fraud? Fraud is now ok because one time it happened. Fraud is ok because I dont like unrelated thing that someone else does.

So effectively somebody tried to cut out the middle man and the universities worried about their income stream (ie getting their cut)?

krastanov 8y ago
That income stream is what lets prestigious universities like the Ivies give great financial aid. Many people graduate from them with paying zero tuition. I can certainly complain about the efficiency with which this income is used and there are minor changes I would like to see to make this more transparent and clearly ethical, but it would be disingenuous to pretend they do not offer some of the best financial aid in the US.
- hubxhiud 8y ago
  What a joke, the Ivy leagues are mostly hedgefunds and REITs with some education signaling attached. Losing out on a few extra rich people 'grants' are a rounding error.
  - zebraflask 8y ago
    As an Ivy grad, I think that that is an excessively cynical and inaccurate view. The educational value is real, regardless of how the universities handle their financials.
jacobolus 8y ago
What the universities do (taking students in exchange for a donation of a new building or whatever) is not meritocratic, but it isn’t illegal. They are private institutions empowered to make shady deals. Individual employees taking bribes to put students in by pretending they are athletes is clear fraud.
peteradio 8y ago
So I am a supermarket employee, I'll just cut out the middle man and pocket the money. What a stupid fucking argument justifying this fraud.
- pgeorgi 8y ago
  These students (or their parents) still paid the regular fees for the degree, didn't they?
  - peteradio 8y ago
    You don't buy a degree. You earn it by consuming resources provided by the University and putting in effort to learn. If the University is going to take on flunky frank for a million extra dollars due to the extra resources they will ultimately provide for his dumbass then that is up to them to make that calculation. Now if jimmy the soccer coach wants to make a little side dollerz by committing fraud to include dumby diane on his roster and falsifying her info then that denies the University to make a decision on how many additional resources diane will consume in passing her classes. Because fraud, fraud fraud fraud fraud. You know fraud. You like fraud? Fraud is ok? Someone else once did a fraud therefore everybody should fraud? Fraud is now ok because one time it happened. Fraud is ok because I dont like unrelated thing that someone else does.