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I think one of the reasons anti-OOP opinions are so strong is that OOP was promoted as the end all savior of programming. At my University it was dogmatically

I think one of the reasons anti-OOP opinions are so strong is that OOP was promoted as the end all savior of programming. At my University it was dogmatically emphasized. "OOP" (e.g. subtype polymorphism) is useful for some problems, but worthless and kludgy for others; it's a hammer pounding lagbolts. A generation of programmers (mine) missed out on the richness of Lisp/ML flavored languages. I didn't really come to Lisp/Ocaml until a decade after I'd been programming and after embracing it, I can't imagine going back. Thankfully were in the multiparadigm era where modern languages are adopting the best of all world's.

0815test 8y ago
The biggest problem with OOP is arguably inheritance, specifically implementation inheritance. The basic issue is that "protected" methods may be extended arbitrarily by a child class, with zero indication of what properties might in fact be relied upon by methods in the parent; this inevitably leads to a rather intractable version of the Fragile Base Class problem. This pitfall of open-ended implementation inheritance (a.k.a. "open recursion"), which is precisely what "inheritance" per se provides over the well-known (and often used) combination of "object-based" composition and "interfaces"/traits/type classes, is pretty damning for OOP itself.
zaphirplane 8y ago
interestingly Lisp/ocaml/clojure rank low in popularity, clojure shows it’s not because of libraries. That has to mean something other than libraries or unenlightend people. Idk maybe there is too much complexity in those languages and philosophy
- Fellshard 8y ago
  Learning new languages is considered to be one of the highest costs a developer can pay. To be fair, there is a cost to picking up a new language, but nowhere near as high as is often believed, especially after one has learned two or three significantly different ones. I'd argue that those languages don't see as much use in great part because they are not the first languages people are exposed to, and therefore most decide it's not worth the effort to learn them.
  - zaphirplane 8y ago
    Idk about that People are going out of their way to learn, go, typescript, swift, Kotlin, Scala (kind of)

0815test 8y ago

The biggest problem with OOP is arguably inheritance, specifically implementation inheritance. The basic issue is that "protected" methods may be extended arbitrarily by a child class, with zero indication of what properties might in fact be relied upon by methods in the parent; this inevitably leads to a rather intractable version of the Fragile Base Class problem. This pitfall of open-ended implementation inheritance (a.k.a. "open recursion"), which is precisely what "inheritance" per se provides over the well-known (and often used) combination of "object-based" composition and "interfaces"/traits/type classes, is pretty damning for OOP itself.

zaphirplane 8y ago

interestingly Lisp/ocaml/clojure rank low in popularity, clojure shows it’s not because of libraries. That has to mean something other than libraries or unenlightend people. Idk maybe there is too much complexity in those languages and philosophy

Fellshard 8y ago
Learning new languages is considered to be one of the highest costs a developer can pay. To be fair, there is a cost to picking up a new language, but nowhere near as high as is often believed, especially after one has learned two or three significantly different ones. I'd argue that those languages don't see as much use in great part because they are not the first languages people are exposed to, and therefore most decide it's not worth the effort to learn them.
- zaphirplane 8y ago
  Idk about that People are going out of their way to learn, go, typescript, swift, Kotlin, Scala (kind of)