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Same with Google. Google has privacy teams as well which are > quite powerful and forces lots of safeguards about how exactly data can be used. Apple recomme

Same with Google. Google has privacy teams as well which are > quite powerful and forces lots of safeguards about how exactly data can be used. Apple recommends apps based on other apps I've downloaded. So does Google. Apple recommends music based on other music I've played. So does Google. Apple recommends books and movies as well based on similar data. So does Google. Apple keeps track of every placed your Apple devices have been. So does Google. Apple doesn't share this data. Neither does Google.

jeromegv 8y ago
You seem to be simplifying things a bit too much. Apple doesn’t keep track of where your device has been. Your iPhone knows but it’s not being sent to Apple. Google has been shown to know this data even when you disable as many location services as you can.
- robertAngst 8y ago
  Until one day you agree to an update....
- tokyodude 8y ago
  Apple knows which is how they can display every devices location on icloud.com including "last known location" which means the location was previously sent to Apple.
  - xenadu02 8y ago
    That requires you to opt-in to the “Find My iPhone” or “Find My Friends” feature which are explicitly designed to locate the phone. If you don’t enable those things (which are not automatically enabled) then Apple does not know the location of your phone.
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- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  > Apple doesn’t keep track of where your device has been. The iPhone certainly does keep track of where it has been. There was even a scandal about it a few years back. It may not upload it to Apple's servers yet, but that's only a matter of shifting strategy and a software update away.
fwdpropaganda 8y ago
HAHAHA stop spreading lies. Google uses chrome to spy on people. Here's just a latest example (as with Stallman, you could say that I cherry pick examples, but I assure you I have many many examples like this) At work, completely new computer, new OS. They gave me chrome by default. One night late at the office I go on chrome, go on youtube to listen to ONE single song. Tubular Bells, by Mike Oldfied. 40 minutes or something. Fast forward a few weeks, same situation, I go on youtube, and all recommendations is Mike Oldfield stuff and other stuff from the same era. So far, all normal, yes? What's not normal, is the fact that I've since asked chrome to - delete everything ever stored - including all cookies - I've enabled all privacy settings, including incognito, - youtube no longer shows that I'm logged in (since I have no cookies), and despite all this, whenever I go to youtube its recommendations are the same things: Tubular Bells and related. So it's still tracking me, even though I've asked it not to. Now yes, I'm sure if I make a large enough effort I can fool youtube on chrome. But my point is that the fact that _they give you a "private" option that isn't really private to google is proof of dishonest intentions_. Compare with Firefox. No one tracks anything with my special sauce settings (block ALL cookies, even first-party, and NoScript). If I temporarily disable NoScript for youtube, youtube doesn't show me Tubular Bells. But whenever I try "private" chrome, there it is. How does chrome do it? To be honest I'm way past caring "how". Google has shown over and over again what they care about, and that's all I need to know. So PLEASE don't tell me google cares about privacy. EDIT: Here's another one showing bad intentions. I just learned this this morning from my girlfriend's phone. She uses chrome on mobile. I told her to install ublock origin. She said she tried but didn't work. Guess what. I go to the store, where you'd normally find a green "installed" button with a big tick mark, you find "installed on desktop". Ok thanks google, but I don't want to install it on desktop, I want to install it ON THIS DEVICE I'M USING, and the fact that you show me a green button which is has clearly crafted to make me believe that ublock origin has been installed, is again proof of bad _intentions_. You're intentionally misleading, again. EDIT2: on the front page right now: https://blog.malwarebytes.com/security-world/2019/03/googles-nest-fiasco-harms-user-trust-and-invades-their-privacy/ https://blog.malwarebytes.com/security-world/2019/03/googles... EDIT3: Mods could you clarify exactly what this post has wrong that it got flagged?
- dang 8y ago
quantumcd 8y ago
Yeah, something I feel people (particularly who aren't in my normal tech-industry sphere) I hear discussing data privacy seem to think is that the data itself is being sold/shared with third parties. To be fair though, the concept of any sense of privacy from a service built on seemingly invading your privacy is a complex one to digest
- fwdpropaganda 8y ago
  You ate the whole "we don't sell/share data with third parties". They might not sell or share as usually defined, but they allows third parties to make decisions based on the data. And if you think about it, making decisions based on data is really the only value that data has. Please stop repeating their talking points.
altairiumblue 8y ago
Their incentives with regards to data are aligned differently - Apple make most of their revenue from selling hardware to their users, Google make most of their revenue from selling ads to someone different from their users.

jeromegv 8y ago

You seem to be simplifying things a bit too much. Apple doesn’t keep track of where your device has been. Your iPhone knows but it’s not being sent to Apple. Google has been shown to know this data even when you disable as many location services as you can.

robertAngst 8y ago
Until one day you agree to an update....
tokyodude 8y ago
Apple knows which is how they can display every devices location on icloud.com including "last known location" which means the location was previously sent to Apple.
- xenadu02 8y ago
  That requires you to opt-in to the “Find My iPhone” or “Find My Friends” feature which are explicitly designed to locate the phone. If you don’t enable those things (which are not automatically enabled) then Apple does not know the location of your phone.
- deleted 8y ago
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AsyncAwait 8y ago
> Apple doesn’t keep track of where your device has been. The iPhone certainly does keep track of where it has been. There was even a scandal about it a few years back. It may not upload it to Apple's servers yet, but that's only a matter of shifting strategy and a software update away.

fwdpropaganda 8y ago

HAHAHA stop spreading lies. Google uses chrome to spy on people. Here's just a latest example (as with Stallman, you could say that I cherry pick examples, but I assure you I have many many examples like this) At work, completely new computer, new OS. They gave me chrome by default. One night late at the office I go on chrome, go on youtube to listen to ONE single song. Tubular Bells, by Mike Oldfied. 40 minutes or something. Fast forward a few weeks, same situation, I go on youtube, and all recommendations is Mike Oldfield stuff and other stuff from the same era. So far, all normal, yes? What's not normal, is the fact that I've since asked chrome to - delete everything ever stored - including all cookies - I've enabled all privacy settings, including incognito, - youtube no longer shows that I'm logged in (since I have no cookies), and despite all this, whenever I go to youtube its recommendations are the same things: Tubular Bells and related. So it's still tracking me, even though I've asked it not to. Now yes, I'm sure if I make a large enough effort I can fool youtube on chrome. But my point is that the fact that _they give you a "private" option that isn't really private to google is proof of dishonest intentions_. Compare with Firefox. No one tracks anything with my special sauce settings (block ALL cookies, even first-party, and NoScript). If I temporarily disable NoScript for youtube, youtube doesn't show me Tubular Bells. But whenever I try "private" chrome, there it is. How does chrome do it? To be honest I'm way past caring "how". Google has shown over and over again what they care about, and that's all I need to know. So PLEASE don't tell me google cares about privacy. EDIT: Here's another one showing bad intentions. I just learned this this morning from my girlfriend's phone. She uses chrome on mobile. I told her to install ublock origin. She said she tried but didn't work. Guess what. I go to the store, where you'd normally find a green "installed" button with a big tick mark, you find "installed on desktop". Ok thanks google, but I don't want to install it on desktop, I want to install it ON THIS DEVICE I'M USING, and the fact that you show me a green button which is has clearly crafted to make me believe that ublock origin has been installed, is again proof of bad _intentions_. You're intentionally misleading, again. EDIT2: on the front page right now: https://blog.malwarebytes.com/security-world/2019/03/googles-nest-fiasco-harms-user-trust-and-invades-their-privacy/ https://blog.malwarebytes.com/security-world/2019/03/googles... EDIT3: Mods could you clarify exactly what this post has wrong that it got flagged?

dang 8y ago

quantumcd 8y ago

Yeah, something I feel people (particularly who aren't in my normal tech-industry sphere) I hear discussing data privacy seem to think is that the data itself is being sold/shared with third parties. To be fair though, the concept of any sense of privacy from a service built on seemingly invading your privacy is a complex one to digest

fwdpropaganda 8y ago
You ate the whole "we don't sell/share data with third parties". They might not sell or share as usually defined, but they allows third parties to make decisions based on the data. And if you think about it, making decisions based on data is really the only value that data has. Please stop repeating their talking points.

altairiumblue 8y ago

Their incentives with regards to data are aligned differently - Apple make most of their revenue from selling hardware to their users, Google make most of their revenue from selling ads to someone different from their users.