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At least they're being honest about it. It's not TurboTax's fault if lobbying is legal and cost-effective. The only way they'll stop is if we make that kind o

by p1mrx 8y ago

At least they're being honest about it. It's not TurboTax's fault if lobbying is legal and cost-effective. The only way they'll stop is if we make that kind of lobbying illegal, and good luck with that.

branchless 8y ago
couldn't we lobby for it? /s this is not okay, it's not okay to take money from normal people "because you can and if you didn't someone else would do it".
_robbywashere 8y ago
It 100 percent is their fault. They are manipulating elected members of government intended to respresent the PEOPLES best interest. This is where capitalism fails
- mrunkel 8y ago
  Wouldn’t the fault lie with the representatives and the people that keep re-electing them?
  - akanet 8y ago
    Uh, I mean, partly? It's a pretty strange argument to say that no one can be culpable of a bad thing so long as that thing is currently legal.
    - chronolitus 8y ago
      Imagine that murder was not illegal. Imagine that instead of making it illegal, we complained to murderers that what they are doing is bad and they ought not to. Then, we'd wonder why the crime rate isn't going doing. The argument isn't about assigning blame. It's about criticizing society for not solving the problem. Complaining about lobbyists doing bad things is not an effective solution. Doing so shifts the dialog away from law implementation (solution-oriented and practical) towards what is "right" and "wrong" (vague, subjective, and doesn't lead to improvement).
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    There's plenty of blame to go around. We don't need to narrow it down to just one entity.
- lagadu 8y ago
  That's not Inuit's fault, it's the people's fault who don't elect people who legislate against that. Inuit's operating normally within the legal framework that they're subject to. If you make <doing something> legal, you can't blame an entity for exercising their right to <do something>.
kelnos 8y ago
They're not being honest about it. They're hiding behind disingenuous claims that the government preparing a first-cut tax return for us would be exploitative of the American people.
- concerned_user 8y ago
  If people are under-filing their taxes and government calculated ones would basically equal to auditing everyone, those who will have to pay more obviously will start to object to new system whether it is correct or not. It will be labelled exploitative etc.

by p1mrx 8y ago

branchless 8y ago

couldn't we lobby for it? /s this is not okay, it's not okay to take money from normal people "because you can and if you didn't someone else would do it".

_robbywashere 8y ago

It 100 percent is their fault. They are manipulating elected members of government intended to respresent the PEOPLES best interest. This is where capitalism fails

mrunkel 8y ago
Wouldn’t the fault lie with the representatives and the people that keep re-electing them?
- akanet 8y ago
  Uh, I mean, partly? It's a pretty strange argument to say that no one can be culpable of a bad thing so long as that thing is currently legal.
  - chronolitus 8y ago
    Imagine that murder was not illegal. Imagine that instead of making it illegal, we complained to murderers that what they are doing is bad and they ought not to. Then, we'd wonder why the crime rate isn't going doing. The argument isn't about assigning blame. It's about criticizing society for not solving the problem. Complaining about lobbyists doing bad things is not an effective solution. Doing so shifts the dialog away from law implementation (solution-oriented and practical) towards what is "right" and "wrong" (vague, subjective, and doesn't lead to improvement).
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  There's plenty of blame to go around. We don't need to narrow it down to just one entity.
lagadu 8y ago
That's not Inuit's fault, it's the people's fault who don't elect people who legislate against that. Inuit's operating normally within the legal framework that they're subject to. If you make <doing something> legal, you can't blame an entity for exercising their right to <do something>.

kelnos 8y ago

They're not being honest about it. They're hiding behind disingenuous claims that the government preparing a first-cut tax return for us would be exploitative of the American people.

concerned_user 8y ago
If people are under-filing their taxes and government calculated ones would basically equal to auditing everyone, those who will have to pay more obviously will start to object to new system whether it is correct or not. It will be labelled exploitative etc.