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Yang is going to gain steam. Might give Kamala a run for her money. I recommend you check out the Joe Rogan interview.

by indigodaddy 8y ago

indigodaddy 8y ago
Downvoted eh? Nice.
- LAMike 8y ago
  It's OK they downvoted Bitcoin in 2012 too
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Yang is going to gain steam. Might give Kamala a run for her money. While it's extremely early (though in most recent elections, the eventual primary winner was at this point in first or second place, more often second), Harris is only polling third (consistently, across polls) and is way behind Biden (first) and Sanders (second, so arguably the most likely nominee).
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  >Sanders (second, so arguably the most likely nominee). I wonderfully interested that you think the DNC would allow that to happen after just two year of being shown explicitly that they will do whatever is needed to make sure that does not happen.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > I wonderfully interested that you think the DNC would allow that to happen after just two year of being shown explicitly that they will do whatever is needed to make sure that does not happen. It's not the same DNC. While the Sanders faction didn't gain control after the 2016 election, they essentially got a power-sharing agreement and, more importantly, they've gotten a bunch of reforms, including mostly neutralizing the power of superdelegates. And Sanders is starting 2020 in a much stronger position than 2016, and doing so without an opponent with anywhere close to the establishment power of Clinton, whose partisans also were in charge of the DNC at the time.
    - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
      I don't at all agree. The DNC had a system to allow rigging, and I'd willing to bet my lunch they still do. If they had a system of rigging - why do you think they would give that up what would their incentive be to do that? They didn't want Bernie then, they don't now, it's the same people in the organization. But... Because neither of us can possibly prove it. I guess we'll just wait and see. I believe they just won't let him and they'll either do it by rigging more subtly this time, or have Warren there only to split his votes. Either way, it'll be more interesting than the "show" they put on last time with Webb and Chafey bowing before Hillary.
      - djur 8y ago
        What "system" did the DNC have to allow "rigging"? How did it work? Who operated it? What evidence is there that it existed, much less that it was used?
        SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
        Here is enough background information [0] [1] [2] [3] quoted directly from people involved that should get you started. Unless Warren, Brazile, DWS and others are all wrong with their statements about it. [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donna-brazile-i-found-proof-the-dnc-rigged-the-nomination-for-hillary-clinton https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donna-brazile-i-found-proof... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc... [2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b... [3] https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/ https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-ri...
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        Insofar as those things provide any description of anything that might even loosely be described as a “system to allow rigging” it's the joint fundraising agreement between the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Which hardly, even if viewed as such a system, can support your suggestion that such a system not only existed but should be suspected to still be in place.

Yang is going to gain steam. Might give Kamala a run for her money. I recommend you check out the Joe Rogan interview.

indigodaddy 8y ago

Downvoted eh? Nice.

LAMike 8y ago
It's OK they downvoted Bitcoin in 2012 too

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Yang is going to gain steam. Might give Kamala a run for her money. While it's extremely early (though in most recent elections, the eventual primary winner was at this point in first or second place, more often second), Harris is only polling third (consistently, across polls) and is way behind Biden (first) and Sanders (second, so arguably the most likely nominee).

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>Sanders (second, so arguably the most likely nominee). I wonderfully interested that you think the DNC would allow that to happen after just two year of being shown explicitly that they will do whatever is needed to make sure that does not happen.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > I wonderfully interested that you think the DNC would allow that to happen after just two year of being shown explicitly that they will do whatever is needed to make sure that does not happen. It's not the same DNC. While the Sanders faction didn't gain control after the 2016 election, they essentially got a power-sharing agreement and, more importantly, they've gotten a bunch of reforms, including mostly neutralizing the power of superdelegates. And Sanders is starting 2020 in a much stronger position than 2016, and doing so without an opponent with anywhere close to the establishment power of Clinton, whose partisans also were in charge of the DNC at the time.
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    I don't at all agree. The DNC had a system to allow rigging, and I'd willing to bet my lunch they still do. If they had a system of rigging - why do you think they would give that up what would their incentive be to do that? They didn't want Bernie then, they don't now, it's the same people in the organization. But... Because neither of us can possibly prove it. I guess we'll just wait and see. I believe they just won't let him and they'll either do it by rigging more subtly this time, or have Warren there only to split his votes. Either way, it'll be more interesting than the "show" they put on last time with Webb and Chafey bowing before Hillary.
    - djur 8y ago
      What "system" did the DNC have to allow "rigging"? How did it work? Who operated it? What evidence is there that it existed, much less that it was used?
      - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
        Here is enough background information [0] [1] [2] [3] quoted directly from people involved that should get you started. Unless Warren, Brazile, DWS and others are all wrong with their statements about it. [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donna-brazile-i-found-proof-the-dnc-rigged-the-nomination-for-hillary-clinton https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donna-brazile-i-found-proof... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc... [2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b... [3] https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/ https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-ri...
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        Insofar as those things provide any description of anything that might even loosely be described as a “system to allow rigging” it's the joint fundraising agreement between the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Which hardly, even if viewed as such a system, can support your suggestion that such a system not only existed but should be suspected to still be in place.