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I just skimmed Greenwald's bylines and here's some recent media crit that isn't about msnbc https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia-suppor

by ahoy 8y ago

I just skimmed Greenwald's bylines and here's some recent media crit that isn't about msnbc https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia-supports-tulsi-gabbard-relies-on-firm-just-caught-fabricating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/ https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia... (about nbc) https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/ https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-w... (about multiple outlets, lots of wapo) https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/cnn-submits-to-right-wing-outrage-mob-fires-marc-lamont-due-to-his-offensive-defense-of-palestinians-at-the-un/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/cnn-submits-to-right-win... (about CNN) I'd say at a glance there is slightly more crit of MSNBC than other major news outlets, but doesn't that make sense given the intercept's left-libertarian leanings? Of course they don't think brietbart or fox is doing good reporting. So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on.

lern_too_spel 8y ago
> So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on. The real reason is that Greenwald isn't feuding with Fox News's political commentators. He is a frequent guest on their shows.
- pdeuchler 8y ago
  This is possibly the laziest critique of Greenwald out there https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&...
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    Are you looking at the same link that you posted? Most of those comments are supportive of Fox News. That is possibly the laziest link posting I've ever seen.
    - fouc 8y ago
      Of the first 8 comments, it appears that 3 are critical, 1 is supportive, and 4 are neutral/factual. [critical] It took demand of Canada's Government for @FoxNews to finally delete false tweet blaming Muslims for mosque attack [neutral] Isn't it a little strange to constantly rail about "state TV" when it comes to RT & Fox and then hire CIA Directors & General as your "news analysts"? [critical] You can announce on MSNBC that Putin may have ordered Trump's attack on Assad & then scoff at Fox & Fake News [neutral] "One giant Fox News" - how Wagner Moura explains to his American friends what the dominant Brazilian media is like [supportive] Kudos to Fox News' @KirstenPowers asking Trump about Ailes & getting amazing answers http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump... … [neutral] Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage - major backer of both BREXIT & Trump - joins Fox News as a contributor [critical] Starting now: coverage of the greatest and most orchestrated governmental threat to free speech in the US: legally imposed Israel Oaths (a story self-professed free speech crusaders at Fox News have thus far refused to cover, because doing so might offend their viewers) [neutral] When Reagan transmitted the treaty to the Senate in 1988, he said it was necessary to prosecute all torturers, and allow no justifications for its use. Might be worth reading to Fox News guests, and ex-CIA officials defending Gina Haspel http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858 http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        You skipped over the very first tweet where he suggests watching his Fox News appearance, which is supportive. > [neutral] Isn't it a little strange to constantly rail about "state TV" when it comes to RT & Fox and then hire CIA Directors & General as your "news analysts"? False. This is critical of MSNBC's hires, and supportive of Fox News and RT. > [critical] You can announce on MSNBC that Putin may have ordered Trump's attack on Assad & then scoff at Fox & Fake News False. This is critical of MSNBC and supportive of Fox News. He is scoffing at MSNBC's scoffing at Fox. That flips your numbers around.
        fouc 8y ago
vidarh 8y ago
The Intercept is nowhere near left-libertarian. Left-libertarianism is a strand of socialism (you'll find left libertarians spanning from anarchists and communists/libertarian Marxists to more moderate socialists), and the origin of libertarianism. Here is the first left-libertarian, and anarch-communist criticising Proudhon for being just a moderate anarcist and liberal, rather than libertarian, and segueing into a rant against property rights: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/joseph-dejacque-on-the-human-being-male-and-female https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/joseph-dejacque-on-t...
- ahoy 8y ago
  I was being imprecise, but I don't think we're ever going to finish arguing about categorizing the different strains of left politics. I should have described them as "left of center w/ an emphasis on personal rights and privacy".
  - vidarh 8y ago
    I don't think people will finish arguing about that either, but in this case "left-libertarian" at least has a clear enough definition to make it clear that the Intercept is not it. > I should have described them as "left of center w/ an emphasis on personal rights and privacy". I don't know if I agree with this either, but at least this is close enough to be arguable.

by ahoy 8y ago

lern_too_spel 8y ago

> So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on. The real reason is that Greenwald isn't feuding with Fox News's political commentators. He is a frequent guest on their shows.

pdeuchler 8y ago
This is possibly the laziest critique of Greenwald out there https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&...
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  Are you looking at the same link that you posted? Most of those comments are supportive of Fox News. That is possibly the laziest link posting I've ever seen.
  - fouc 8y ago
    Of the first 8 comments, it appears that 3 are critical, 1 is supportive, and 4 are neutral/factual. [critical] It took demand of Canada's Government for @FoxNews to finally delete false tweet blaming Muslims for mosque attack [neutral] Isn't it a little strange to constantly rail about "state TV" when it comes to RT & Fox and then hire CIA Directors & General as your "news analysts"? [critical] You can announce on MSNBC that Putin may have ordered Trump's attack on Assad & then scoff at Fox & Fake News [neutral] "One giant Fox News" - how Wagner Moura explains to his American friends what the dominant Brazilian media is like [supportive] Kudos to Fox News' @KirstenPowers asking Trump about Ailes & getting amazing answers http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump... … [neutral] Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage - major backer of both BREXIT & Trump - joins Fox News as a contributor [critical] Starting now: coverage of the greatest and most orchestrated governmental threat to free speech in the US: legally imposed Israel Oaths (a story self-professed free speech crusaders at Fox News have thus far refused to cover, because doing so might offend their viewers) [neutral] When Reagan transmitted the treaty to the Senate in 1988, he said it was necessary to prosecute all torturers, and allow no justifications for its use. Might be worth reading to Fox News guests, and ex-CIA officials defending Gina Haspel http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858 http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      You skipped over the very first tweet where he suggests watching his Fox News appearance, which is supportive. > [neutral] Isn't it a little strange to constantly rail about "state TV" when it comes to RT & Fox and then hire CIA Directors & General as your "news analysts"? False. This is critical of MSNBC's hires, and supportive of Fox News and RT. > [critical] You can announce on MSNBC that Putin may have ordered Trump's attack on Assad & then scoff at Fox & Fake News False. This is critical of MSNBC and supportive of Fox News. He is scoffing at MSNBC's scoffing at Fox. That flips your numbers around.
      - fouc 8y ago

vidarh 8y ago

The Intercept is nowhere near left-libertarian. Left-libertarianism is a strand of socialism (you'll find left libertarians spanning from anarchists and communists/libertarian Marxists to more moderate socialists), and the origin of libertarianism. Here is the first left-libertarian, and anarch-communist criticising Proudhon for being just a moderate anarcist and liberal, rather than libertarian, and segueing into a rant against property rights: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/joseph-dejacque-on-the-human-being-male-and-female https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/joseph-dejacque-on-t...

ahoy 8y ago
I was being imprecise, but I don't think we're ever going to finish arguing about categorizing the different strains of left politics. I should have described them as "left of center w/ an emphasis on personal rights and privacy".
- vidarh 8y ago
  I don't think people will finish arguing about that either, but in this case "left-libertarian" at least has a clear enough definition to make it clear that the Intercept is not it. > I should have described them as "left of center w/ an emphasis on personal rights and privacy". I don't know if I agree with this either, but at least this is close enough to be arguable.