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> It's fairly clear what the cause of a mosque shooting is: Islamophobia. I disagree.. It's like saying people who murdered journalists in france were victim o

by malms 8y ago

> It's fairly clear what the cause of a mosque shooting is: Islamophobia. I disagree.. It's like saying people who murdered journalists in france were victim of "jounalistophobia". It doesn't make sense to me. Shooter are mostly mentally ill / violent people FIRST at the root, and then find a motive which is picked randomly in their education.

java_script 8y ago
And that's why we see such a huge diversity of thought in mass shooters political manifestos, because it's random?
- malms 8y ago
  Is that sarcastic ? It's true there are ideologies that are more enabling of violence though, but at the core it's just people that make no sense
pjc50 8y ago
> Shooter are mostly mentally ill / violent people FIRST at the root Whenever someone says "mentally ill", what diagnosis are you giving and on what basis? The other Islamophobic mass shooter, Breivik, was declared sane by a court. These kinds of incidents are not spontaneous breaks in sanity but deliberate, premeditated crimes planned out like bank robberies. > "jounalistophobia" In both cases it's radicalization. The perpetrators are given some people to hate, and an encouragement to violence, and some emotional support in planning the attack.
- malms 8y ago
  I'm saying they are too much outliers that it doesn't make so much sense to listen to their "reasons" to annoy or suspect people with same sensibilities
- lm28469 8y ago
  When a court determine someone to be sane it just means that he fully knew what he was doing. You can absolutely be sure that you want to kill people, knowing the implications of your acts and going though with it, that makes you sane for a court. Now is someone showing so much hate and violence mentally ill in a way? I guess it depends on who you ask. Imho these kinds of views/acts are not very compatible with my definition of mental sanity.

by malms 8y ago

java_script 8y ago

And that's why we see such a huge diversity of thought in mass shooters political manifestos, because it's random?

malms 8y ago
Is that sarcastic ? It's true there are ideologies that are more enabling of violence though, but at the core it's just people that make no sense

pjc50 8y ago

> Shooter are mostly mentally ill / violent people FIRST at the root Whenever someone says "mentally ill", what diagnosis are you giving and on what basis? The other Islamophobic mass shooter, Breivik, was declared sane by a court. These kinds of incidents are not spontaneous breaks in sanity but deliberate, premeditated crimes planned out like bank robberies. > "jounalistophobia" In both cases it's radicalization. The perpetrators are given some people to hate, and an encouragement to violence, and some emotional support in planning the attack.

malms 8y ago
I'm saying they are too much outliers that it doesn't make so much sense to listen to their "reasons" to annoy or suspect people with same sensibilities
lm28469 8y ago
When a court determine someone to be sane it just means that he fully knew what he was doing. You can absolutely be sure that you want to kill people, knowing the implications of your acts and going though with it, that makes you sane for a court. Now is someone showing so much hate and violence mentally ill in a way? I guess it depends on who you ask. Imho these kinds of views/acts are not very compatible with my definition of mental sanity.