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Not that I really care about Glenn Greenwald one way or another, but do you think criticism of major media isn't a worthwhile thing?

by ahoy 8y ago

lern_too_spel 8y ago
He focuses entirely on MSNBC talking heads that he feuds with, not on actual news reporting. Criticism of talking heads is easy and not newsworthy.
- leesec 8y ago
  Lol "Entirely". He runs a news organization and puts out constant publications/podcasts/etc on things that are not just criticizing talking heads.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    Entirely may be an exaggeration. I should have said mostly. His recent articles list on The Intercept support that.
- ahoy 8y ago
  I just skimmed Greenwald's bylines and here's some recent media crit that isn't about msnbc https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia-supports-tulsi-gabbard-relies-on-firm-just-caught-fabricating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/ https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia... (about nbc) https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/ https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-w... (about multiple outlets, lots of wapo) https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/cnn-submits-to-right-wing-outrage-mob-fires-marc-lamont-due-to-his-offensive-defense-of-palestinians-at-the-un/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/cnn-submits-to-right-win... (about CNN) I'd say at a glance there is slightly more crit of MSNBC than other major news outlets, but doesn't that make sense given the intercept's left-libertarian leanings? Of course they don't think brietbart or fox is doing good reporting. So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    > So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on. The real reason is that Greenwald isn't feuding with Fox News's political commentators. He is a frequent guest on their shows.
    - pdeuchler 8y ago
      This is possibly the laziest critique of Greenwald out there https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&...
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        Are you looking at the same link that you posted? Most of those comments are supportive of Fox News. That is possibly the laziest link posting I've ever seen.
        fouc 8y ago
        Of the first 8 comments, it appears that 3 are critical, 1 is supportive, and 4 are neutral/factual. [critical] It took demand of Canada's Government for @FoxNews to finally delete false tweet blaming Muslims for mosque attack [neutral] Isn't it a little strange to constantly rail about "state TV" when it comes to RT & Fox and then hire CIA Directors & General as your "news analysts"? [critical] You can announce on MSNBC that Putin may have ordered Trump's attack on Assad & then scoff at Fox & Fake News [neutral] "One giant Fox News" - how Wagner Moura explains to his American friends what the dominant Brazilian media is like [supportive] Kudos to Fox News' @KirstenPowers asking Trump about Ailes & getting amazing answers http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump... … [neutral] Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage - major backer of both BREXIT & Trump - joins Fox News as a contributor [critical] Starting now: coverage of the greatest and most orchestrated governmental threat to free speech in the US: legally imposed Israel Oaths (a story self-professed free speech crusaders at Fox News have thus far refused to cover, because doing so might offend their viewers) [neutral] When Reagan transmitted the treaty to the Senate in 1988, he said it was necessary to prosecute all torturers, and allow no justifications for its use. Might be worth reading to Fox News guests, and ex-CIA officials defending Gina Haspel http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858 http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858
- cwkoss 8y ago
  MSNBC is rapidly devolving to the Infowars of the left. I think criticism is entirely founded and important: some people still think MSNBC is an unbiased and accurate source.

Not that I really care about Glenn Greenwald one way or another, but do you think criticism of major media isn't a worthwhile thing?

by ahoy 8y ago

Not that I really care about Glenn Greenwald one way or another, but do you think criticism of major media isn't a worthwhile thing?

lern_too_spel 8y ago

He focuses entirely on MSNBC talking heads that he feuds with, not on actual news reporting. Criticism of talking heads is easy and not newsworthy.

leesec 8y ago
Lol "Entirely". He runs a news organization and puts out constant publications/podcasts/etc on things that are not just criticizing talking heads.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  Entirely may be an exaggeration. I should have said mostly. His recent articles list on The Intercept support that.
ahoy 8y ago
I just skimmed Greenwald's bylines and here's some recent media crit that isn't about msnbc https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia-supports-tulsi-gabbard-relies-on-firm-just-caught-fabricating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/ https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia... (about nbc) https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/ https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-w... (about multiple outlets, lots of wapo) https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/cnn-submits-to-right-wing-outrage-mob-fires-marc-lamont-due-to-his-offensive-defense-of-palestinians-at-the-un/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/cnn-submits-to-right-win... (about CNN) I'd say at a glance there is slightly more crit of MSNBC than other major news outlets, but doesn't that make sense given the intercept's left-libertarian leanings? Of course they don't think brietbart or fox is doing good reporting. So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  > So bad in fact that it's not even worth commenting on. The real reason is that Greenwald isn't feuding with Fox News's political commentators. He is a frequent guest on their shows.
  - pdeuchler 8y ago
    This is possibly the laziest critique of Greenwald out there https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aggreenwald%20fox%20news&...
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      Are you looking at the same link that you posted? Most of those comments are supportive of Fox News. That is possibly the laziest link posting I've ever seen.
      - fouc 8y ago
        Of the first 8 comments, it appears that 3 are critical, 1 is supportive, and 4 are neutral/factual. [critical] It took demand of Canada's Government for @FoxNews to finally delete false tweet blaming Muslims for mosque attack [neutral] Isn't it a little strange to constantly rail about "state TV" when it comes to RT & Fox and then hire CIA Directors & General as your "news analysts"? [critical] You can announce on MSNBC that Putin may have ordered Trump's attack on Assad & then scoff at Fox & Fake News [neutral] "One giant Fox News" - how Wagner Moura explains to his American friends what the dominant Brazilian media is like [supportive] Kudos to Fox News' @KirstenPowers asking Trump about Ailes & getting amazing answers http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump-sexual-harassment-fox-news-women-gretchen-kelly-greta-news-column/87915454/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/01/ailes-trump... … [neutral] Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage - major backer of both BREXIT & Trump - joins Fox News as a contributor [critical] Starting now: coverage of the greatest and most orchestrated governmental threat to free speech in the US: legally imposed Israel Oaths (a story self-professed free speech crusaders at Fox News have thus far refused to cover, because doing so might offend their viewers) [neutral] When Reagan transmitted the treaty to the Senate in 1988, he said it was necessary to prosecute all torturers, and allow no justifications for its use. Might be worth reading to Fox News guests, and ex-CIA officials defending Gina Haspel http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858 http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858
cwkoss 8y ago
MSNBC is rapidly devolving to the Infowars of the left. I think criticism is entirely founded and important: some people still think MSNBC is an unbiased and accurate source.