4 ms·

> Because Tesla manufactures all its car in California, which has far stricter rules than other states. If other manufacturers moved their production there, Tes

by vlozko 8y ago

> Because Tesla manufactures all its car in California, which has far stricter rules than other states. If other manufacturers moved their production there, Tesla would rank better than the competition That's just conjecture. Tesla has had a reputation of not being safe because of things like this: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-getting-hurt-because-elon-musk-hates-yellow.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-getting... > And yet, Tesla owners keep recommending their cars more than anyone else, because the car is that good. How does that make the original statement false? If anything, it establishes a pattern where Tesla owners are far more likely to overlook these issues because of how much they like their car. > So what? How many of them are EVs? One could wonder how Nokia's sales were going when the iPhone started becoming mainstream… The OP was pointing out that some people are looking through a subjective lens when they claim that Tesla is crushing it. In a broader picture when you look into the sale of all cars, it's really not as significant. Ok, so these cars are not EVs. So what? It's not enough to say you're dominant in a niche, albeit a growing one. When you're not on equal footing as some of the bigger name car companies, you're much more susceptible to being crushed competitively if those companies make a play in the same space. I'm not at all saying that will happen, just that looking at this point requires a bigger, broader perspective.

sergiosgc 8y ago
> It's not enough to say you're dominant in a niche, albeit a growing one. When you're facing technology transitions, looking at it as a niche is exactly the wrong perspective. Tesla is dominant in a field which is the future of automotive transportation. It is a small market not because it is a niche but because it is nascent. The difference is, strategically, very relevant. ICE automakers are just realizing how far behind Tesla they are. I'd wager at least ten years. The model S was launched in 2012, VW et al won't be able to launch a similar offer before 2022.
- clouddrover 8y ago
  > VW et al won't be able to launch a similar offer before 2022. Volkswagen will launch multiple models across multiple brands before 2022. The Porsche Taycan is launching before 2022: https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/09/porche-taycan-ev-20-000-reservations/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/09/porche-taycan-ev-20-000-... https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21239621/porsche-taycan-mission-e-electric/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21239... And the VW ID Neo: https://electrek.co/2019/03/13/vw-id-electric-hatchback-pre-orders-open-may-8-production-september/ https://electrek.co/2019/03/13/vw-id-electric-hatchback-pre-... And the VW ID Crozz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A And the Audi e-tron Q4: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/audi-q4-e-tron-concept-geneva-motor-show/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/audi-q4-e-tron-concept-ge... And the Audi e-tron GT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXhl3ilU9I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXhl3ilU9I And the Skoda Vision IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O72uf9DNakk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O72uf9DNakk And the SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umwlXFoSAD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umwlXFoSAD8
  - sergiosgc 8y ago
    > There will be many models launched before 2022. And there have been many models launched before today. None are even close to model S levels of production volume, performance, range and battery durability. If your reference is the Porsche Taycan, it is the equivalent to the Tesla Roadster: a low volume proof of concept. It is already more than ten years late (the Roadster launched in '08). If your reference is anything based on VW's MEB (VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda), add two years to publicized launch dates, as the MEB went back to the drawing board, deemed under-specced for what the market expects from EVs. This means production plants have not yet started to get designed, much less built, and are waiting on platform redesign and approval.
    - clouddrover 8y ago
      You really should read and view the links. Both the Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron GT are in the Model S's category, and they're both much nicer cars. The Porsche Taycan will charge faster than any Tesla and won't suffer the Model S's overheating issues: http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-that-the-tesla-model-s-is-an-awful-track-car http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-that...
      - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
        >The Porsche Taycan will charge faster than any Tesla Where?
        clouddrover 8y ago
        At every 350 kW charger: https://insideevs.com/first-ionity-350-kw-chargers-denmark/ https://insideevs.com/first-ionity-350-kw-chargers-denmark/ When will Tesla introduce 350 kW charging?
      - labcomputer 8y ago
        I think you mean: you speculate that the GT and Taycan will be in same category as the Model S and will be nicer than the roadster. Since literally nobody outside of VAG has sat in one. You may also want to walk back the claims about overheating. In one of the press videos, a Porsche engineer explicitly says that the number of hard accelerations over a short time will be limited to 10, or so.

by vlozko 8y ago

sergiosgc 8y ago

> It's not enough to say you're dominant in a niche, albeit a growing one. When you're facing technology transitions, looking at it as a niche is exactly the wrong perspective. Tesla is dominant in a field which is the future of automotive transportation. It is a small market not because it is a niche but because it is nascent. The difference is, strategically, very relevant. ICE automakers are just realizing how far behind Tesla they are. I'd wager at least ten years. The model S was launched in 2012, VW et al won't be able to launch a similar offer before 2022.

clouddrover 8y ago
> VW et al won't be able to launch a similar offer before 2022. Volkswagen will launch multiple models across multiple brands before 2022. The Porsche Taycan is launching before 2022: https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/09/porche-taycan-ev-20-000-reservations/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/09/porche-taycan-ev-20-000-... https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21239621/porsche-taycan-mission-e-electric/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21239... And the VW ID Neo: https://electrek.co/2019/03/13/vw-id-electric-hatchback-pre-orders-open-may-8-production-september/ https://electrek.co/2019/03/13/vw-id-electric-hatchback-pre-... And the VW ID Crozz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A And the Audi e-tron Q4: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/audi-q4-e-tron-concept-geneva-motor-show/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/audi-q4-e-tron-concept-ge... And the Audi e-tron GT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXhl3ilU9I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXhl3ilU9I And the Skoda Vision IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O72uf9DNakk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O72uf9DNakk And the SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umwlXFoSAD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umwlXFoSAD8
- sergiosgc 8y ago
  > There will be many models launched before 2022. And there have been many models launched before today. None are even close to model S levels of production volume, performance, range and battery durability. If your reference is the Porsche Taycan, it is the equivalent to the Tesla Roadster: a low volume proof of concept. It is already more than ten years late (the Roadster launched in '08). If your reference is anything based on VW's MEB (VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda), add two years to publicized launch dates, as the MEB went back to the drawing board, deemed under-specced for what the market expects from EVs. This means production plants have not yet started to get designed, much less built, and are waiting on platform redesign and approval.
  - clouddrover 8y ago
    You really should read and view the links. Both the Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron GT are in the Model S's category, and they're both much nicer cars. The Porsche Taycan will charge faster than any Tesla and won't suffer the Model S's overheating issues: http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-that-the-tesla-model-s-is-an-awful-track-car http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-that...
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
      >The Porsche Taycan will charge faster than any Tesla Where?
      - clouddrover 8y ago
        At every 350 kW charger: https://insideevs.com/first-ionity-350-kw-chargers-denmark/ https://insideevs.com/first-ionity-350-kw-chargers-denmark/ When will Tesla introduce 350 kW charging?
    - labcomputer 8y ago
      I think you mean: you speculate that the GT and Taycan will be in same category as the Model S and will be nicer than the roadster. Since literally nobody outside of VAG has sat in one. You may also want to walk back the claims about overheating. In one of the press videos, a Porsche engineer explicitly says that the number of hard accelerations over a short time will be limited to 10, or so.