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They're not promising. They're sharing their ambitious goals. If you only have goals that you already know you can meet or if you always attain your goals, you

They're not promising. They're sharing their ambitious goals. If you only have goals that you already know you can meet or if you always attain your goals, you're aiming too low.

iainmerrick 8y ago
From earlier in this thread: ”Our goal is — I feel pretty good about this goal — is that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy, all the way from L.A. to New York” I guess it depends whether you interpret that “I feel good about this goal” means “I think we have a good chance of achieving this” or just “having this goal makes me feel good.” I think we’re at least partly agreeing. Tesla just has a very different approach here than, say, Apple. That’s not inherently bad but I personally don’t like it. I see it as excessive hype.
- magicalhippo 8y ago
  > “I think we have a good chance of achieving this” That's still not promising anything though. It's setting expectations, but failing to meet expectations is not the same as failing to meet promises. If I buy a movie ticket I can get disappointed about the film being bad (failing to meet expectation of enjoyment), but I'd get upset if they cancelled the screening after I bought a ticket (failing to meet promise of viewing).
- jfoster 8y ago
  I guess my question would be... There's thousands or tens of thousands of businesses not meeting their stated goals. Why do you care so much about tearing down this particular one? Perhaps you follow $tslaq on Twitter or perhaps not. Take a look. They're so toxic and focused on negativity around Tesla. It's senseless. If I don't believe in a business, I just ignore it. With Tesla there seems to be people who are religious or obsessed with hoping that they fail. That's pretty weird considering that pretty much all of humankind benefits from a better world should they succeed.
  - iainmerrick 8y ago
    Yeah, I know, and I was wary of wading into this thread for that reason! I don’t care deeply about this, I just thought it was worth trying to explain how and why my reaction differs.
  - unityByFreedom 8y ago
    Being in AI myself, I care about the bullshit Musk spews. He's horribly wrong about everything he says on the topic, and spreading misinformation every time he opens his mouth. His activity in the field may hinder future development and lead us towards another AI winter. Having any-and-all people working on a particular task isn't necessarily a good thing.

They're not promising. They're sharing their ambitious goals. If you only have goals that you already know you can meet or if you always attain your goals, you're aiming too low.

iainmerrick 8y ago

From earlier in this thread: ”Our goal is — I feel pretty good about this goal — is that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy, all the way from L.A. to New York” I guess it depends whether you interpret that “I feel good about this goal” means “I think we have a good chance of achieving this” or just “having this goal makes me feel good.” I think we’re at least partly agreeing. Tesla just has a very different approach here than, say, Apple. That’s not inherently bad but I personally don’t like it. I see it as excessive hype.

magicalhippo 8y ago
> “I think we have a good chance of achieving this” That's still not promising anything though. It's setting expectations, but failing to meet expectations is not the same as failing to meet promises. If I buy a movie ticket I can get disappointed about the film being bad (failing to meet expectation of enjoyment), but I'd get upset if they cancelled the screening after I bought a ticket (failing to meet promise of viewing).
jfoster 8y ago
I guess my question would be... There's thousands or tens of thousands of businesses not meeting their stated goals. Why do you care so much about tearing down this particular one? Perhaps you follow $tslaq on Twitter or perhaps not. Take a look. They're so toxic and focused on negativity around Tesla. It's senseless. If I don't believe in a business, I just ignore it. With Tesla there seems to be people who are religious or obsessed with hoping that they fail. That's pretty weird considering that pretty much all of humankind benefits from a better world should they succeed.
- iainmerrick 8y ago
  Yeah, I know, and I was wary of wading into this thread for that reason! I don’t care deeply about this, I just thought it was worth trying to explain how and why my reaction differs.
- unityByFreedom 8y ago
  Being in AI myself, I care about the bullshit Musk spews. He's horribly wrong about everything he says on the topic, and spreading misinformation every time he opens his mouth. His activity in the field may hinder future development and lead us towards another AI winter. Having any-and-all people working on a particular task isn't necessarily a good thing.