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I only have read the abstract so far, but it seems to me to be written pretty objectively. Could you maybe point out some parts that you feel are examples of bi

I only have read the abstract so far, but it seems to me to be written pretty objectively. Could you maybe point out some parts that you feel are examples of bias?

snvzz 8y ago
It's actually limited to the anti-gamergate narrative. It sounds legit, because it's written in an authoritative tone, with large walls of text full of links to anti-gamergate sources. It's worth seeing how gamergate describes itself. The "what is gamergate" column on the sidebar of a subreddit where they hang out[0] might help there. Do note that I do provide the hyperlink, but I do not endorse either front. [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/ https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/
- untog 8y ago
  It's worth seeing how GamerGate describes itself... then looking at the top posts of the last month on KotakuInAction. They are not similar.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/top/?sort=top&t=month https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/top/?sort=top&t=mont... Those posts are almost exclusively about media bias, manipulation and censorship. Isn't that what GamerGate claims to be about?
    - untog 8y ago
      A large number of them are about Captain Marvel. What do you suppose it is about that particular movie that would lead to such outrage? In the top ten, precisely one item (number ten) is about video games.
      - malvosenior 8y ago
        You can read the posts themselves to see what they are complaining about. Movie studios drummed up fake outrage about people being angry about a woman superhero when such controversy never existed. Then they took all the negative reviews of Captian Marvel and blamed them on misogyny. They also got Rotton Tomatoes and other platforms to lock user reviews. This is all classic GamerGate stuff I think. GamerGate is about more than video games, it's about media manipulation and bias and it's about journalists acting like activists.
        untog 8y ago
        Where's the evidence that the movie studios "drummed up fake outrage"? Also if I recall correctly Rotten Tomatoes removed the ability to submit a review for a movie that hasn't been released yet, which to my mind seems like an entirely sensible restriction, particularly in the face of the obvious spamming that was going on. It seems to me like RT made a product decision relating to what best serves their users. What's the argument against it?
        ceejayoz 8y ago
        > They also got Rotton Tomatoes and other platforms to lock user reviews. This is silly. They locked out reviews being placed before the movie was released in theaters, because the rating was being deliberately bombed towards the single digits by people who can't possibly have seen the movie.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        This is true but the reason people were upset and leaving negative reviews is because the studios and media had already created a fake outrage and stoked political tensions for marketing reasons. That is what people were upset about, not that the movie had a female lead.
        untog 8y ago
        > “You could not pay me to see this SJW laden white male hating worthless POS movie,” commented one user. “I am sick of this identity politics taking over pop culture. Brie Larson could get hit by a bus and I would not shed a tear.” https://www.inverse.com/article/53523-captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-review-bombing-explained https://www.inverse.com/article/53523-captain-marvel-rotten-... Does that review sound like someone who is upset with a movie studio because they created fake outrage, or someone who is upset about a movie's female lead? Plenty more examples: https://twitter.com/camethedawnxp/status/1097593187621842945 https://twitter.com/camethedawnxp/status/1097593187621842945
makomk 8y ago
By the Wikipedia definition their Gamergate article probably is fairly objective, which makes it a bad example. They base their coverage on what news media report, and the news reporting on it was not exactly accurate or honest (which seems to be what you get for going against journalists). For instance, gaming and tech publications spent a lot of words trying to associate Gamergate with the use of swatting to drive women out of gaming. This caused much confusion as to what they were even talking about, because pretty much all the swatting attacks against gamers had been targetted at guys as far as anyone knew. A few years later, some guy with (as far as I know) no ties to Gamergate that anyone's been able to find was arrested for a series of rather misogynistic swatting attacks against women gamers that the press had known about but intentionally hadn't covered. They'd literally been trying to blame Gamergate for a swatting campaign that none of the people they were blaming could even have known existed because the only coverage was the vague and cryptic attempts to blame a completely unrelated group of people who'd criticised journalists for it.

I only have read the abstract so far, but it seems to me to be written pretty objectively. Could you maybe point out some parts that you feel are examples of bias?

snvzz 8y ago

It's actually limited to the anti-gamergate narrative. It sounds legit, because it's written in an authoritative tone, with large walls of text full of links to anti-gamergate sources. It's worth seeing how gamergate describes itself. The "what is gamergate" column on the sidebar of a subreddit where they hang out[0] might help there. Do note that I do provide the hyperlink, but I do not endorse either front. [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/ https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/

untog 8y ago
It's worth seeing how GamerGate describes itself... then looking at the top posts of the last month on KotakuInAction. They are not similar.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/top/?sort=top&t=month https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/top/?sort=top&t=mont... Those posts are almost exclusively about media bias, manipulation and censorship. Isn't that what GamerGate claims to be about?
  - untog 8y ago
    A large number of them are about Captain Marvel. What do you suppose it is about that particular movie that would lead to such outrage? In the top ten, precisely one item (number ten) is about video games.
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      You can read the posts themselves to see what they are complaining about. Movie studios drummed up fake outrage about people being angry about a woman superhero when such controversy never existed. Then they took all the negative reviews of Captian Marvel and blamed them on misogyny. They also got Rotton Tomatoes and other platforms to lock user reviews. This is all classic GamerGate stuff I think. GamerGate is about more than video games, it's about media manipulation and bias and it's about journalists acting like activists.
      - untog 8y ago
        Where's the evidence that the movie studios "drummed up fake outrage"? Also if I recall correctly Rotten Tomatoes removed the ability to submit a review for a movie that hasn't been released yet, which to my mind seems like an entirely sensible restriction, particularly in the face of the obvious spamming that was going on. It seems to me like RT made a product decision relating to what best serves their users. What's the argument against it?
      - ceejayoz 8y ago
        > They also got Rotton Tomatoes and other platforms to lock user reviews. This is silly. They locked out reviews being placed before the movie was released in theaters, because the rating was being deliberately bombed towards the single digits by people who can't possibly have seen the movie.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        This is true but the reason people were upset and leaving negative reviews is because the studios and media had already created a fake outrage and stoked political tensions for marketing reasons. That is what people were upset about, not that the movie had a female lead.
        untog 8y ago
        > “You could not pay me to see this SJW laden white male hating worthless POS movie,” commented one user. “I am sick of this identity politics taking over pop culture. Brie Larson could get hit by a bus and I would not shed a tear.” https://www.inverse.com/article/53523-captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-review-bombing-explained https://www.inverse.com/article/53523-captain-marvel-rotten-... Does that review sound like someone who is upset with a movie studio because they created fake outrage, or someone who is upset about a movie's female lead? Plenty more examples: https://twitter.com/camethedawnxp/status/1097593187621842945 https://twitter.com/camethedawnxp/status/1097593187621842945

makomk 8y ago

By the Wikipedia definition their Gamergate article probably is fairly objective, which makes it a bad example. They base their coverage on what news media report, and the news reporting on it was not exactly accurate or honest (which seems to be what you get for going against journalists). For instance, gaming and tech publications spent a lot of words trying to associate Gamergate with the use of swatting to drive women out of gaming. This caused much confusion as to what they were even talking about, because pretty much all the swatting attacks against gamers had been targetted at guys as far as anyone knew. A few years later, some guy with (as far as I know) no ties to Gamergate that anyone's been able to find was arrested for a series of rather misogynistic swatting attacks against women gamers that the press had known about but intentionally hadn't covered. They'd literally been trying to blame Gamergate for a swatting campaign that none of the people they were blaming could even have known existed because the only coverage was the vague and cryptic attempts to blame a completely unrelated group of people who'd criticised journalists for it.