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You are free to buy a smartphone from other manufacturers. No one is forcing you to use an Apple product.

ahmedalsudani 8y ago
It's either Android or iOS really. I'd love for a decent alternative to exist but if you don't want Google tracking everything you do, Apple is the only option.
- testvox 8y ago
  There are lots of Android versions with all Google tracking code excised.
  - m-p-3 8y ago
    Are they sold like this directly from the manufacturer?
    - cronix 8y ago
      No, you just download them and install the new OS. Just like you have to jailbreak your iphone if you want to use it however you see fit.
- simonh 8y ago
  The thing is there have been loads of other alternatives over the years. Blackberry, WebOS, Windows Mobile, Tizen. Actual customers said no, these are what they want.
  - kd913 8y ago
    A lot of them faced what I would argue anti-competitive behaviour to prevent their growth. For example, Google banning their apps on Windows Mobile and Amazon Firestore. Google blocking Windows Phone users from accessing maps/mail via a user-agent check. That and Google actively blocking Microsoft developing a native Youtube app. Is it any surprise that customers were unsatisfied?
  - ahmedalsudani 8y ago
    Apple and Google's duopoly is natural, no question about it. That doesn't mean we should ignore how they use it. Google is rightfully scolded for requiring that users sign away their information and following their every move (often using dark patterns). Apple should be put on hot coals too for how they are abusing their position. Spotify is an excellent illustration because Apple is both the platform and a competitor. I don't understand why an Apple consumer would support their anticompetitive stance.
- criddell 8y ago
  As soon as you install some apps, your iPhone is tracking you as well. The recent stories about FourSquare have made me realize that things are much worse than I previously thought.
  - ahmedalsudani 8y ago
    That's one reason I only keep essential apps ;) also use DNS blocking for trackers. It's much better than Android even without that though. Especially since Google became more aggressive with tricking users to sign away their privacy.

It's either Android or iOS really. I'd love for a decent alternative to exist but if you don't want Google tracking everything you do, Apple is the only option.

testvox 8y ago
There are lots of Android versions with all Google tracking code excised.
- m-p-3 8y ago
  Are they sold like this directly from the manufacturer?
  - cronix 8y ago
    No, you just download them and install the new OS. Just like you have to jailbreak your iphone if you want to use it however you see fit.
simonh 8y ago
The thing is there have been loads of other alternatives over the years. Blackberry, WebOS, Windows Mobile, Tizen. Actual customers said no, these are what they want.
- kd913 8y ago
  A lot of them faced what I would argue anti-competitive behaviour to prevent their growth. For example, Google banning their apps on Windows Mobile and Amazon Firestore. Google blocking Windows Phone users from accessing maps/mail via a user-agent check. That and Google actively blocking Microsoft developing a native Youtube app. Is it any surprise that customers were unsatisfied?
- ahmedalsudani 8y ago
  Apple and Google's duopoly is natural, no question about it. That doesn't mean we should ignore how they use it. Google is rightfully scolded for requiring that users sign away their information and following their every move (often using dark patterns). Apple should be put on hot coals too for how they are abusing their position. Spotify is an excellent illustration because Apple is both the platform and a competitor. I don't understand why an Apple consumer would support their anticompetitive stance.
criddell 8y ago
As soon as you install some apps, your iPhone is tracking you as well. The recent stories about FourSquare have made me realize that things are much worse than I previously thought.
- ahmedalsudani 8y ago
  That's one reason I only keep essential apps ;) also use DNS blocking for trackers. It's much better than Android even without that though. Especially since Google became more aggressive with tricking users to sign away their privacy.