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Western governments have historically been allied with and have had intelligence sharing and cooperation arrangements with the U.S. There is a general alignmen
by frotak 8y ago
Western governments have historically been allied with and have had intelligence sharing and cooperation arrangements with the U.S.
There is a general alignment of Western intelligence agencies as a cooperative group against the antagonism of China (and Russia, NK, etc)
It isn't just "everybody spies" - it's "we are actively engaged in an adversarial relationship together against this other group"
- SEJeff 8y agoIn addition, there is a "special" arrangement between 5 western allies called the "five eyes"[1]. Between the five partners, they cover internet backbone infra for much of the world. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
- wolfgke 8y agoGermany is not part of the Five Eyes alliance.
- craftyguy 8y agoThey never claimed Germany was. The wiki link in GP doesn't list Germany as being a part of the five eyes.
- wolfgke 8y ago> They never claimed Germany was. The article is about Germany.
- SEJeff 8y agoand much of the EU internet traffic, including to/from germany, goes through the UK. I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for pointing out a relevant fact on US and western allies who share intel and basically have tapped most all of the fiber in the world via legal or illegal methods (per the snowden docs).
- wolfgke 8y ago> and much of the EU internet traffic, including to/from germany, goes through the UK. Indeed - and many German citizens who are interested in such topics find this concerning exactly because of Five Eyes. My comment that Germany is not part of Five Eyes > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399560 refers to its grandparent > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19398858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19398858 which I requote here: "Western governments have historically been allied with and have had intelligence sharing and cooperation arrangements with the U.S. There is a general alignment of Western intelligence agencies as a cooperative group against the antagonism of China (and Russia, NK, etc) It isn't just "everybody spies" - it's "we are actively engaged in an adversarial relationship together against this other group"".
- SEJeff 8y agobingo. The BND and NSA work very closely together even if they aren't in FVEY. This is quite well known, but it makes a lot of sense in the face of Russian/NK/Chinese aggressions. As much as our president wants you to not believe, we are stronger together.
- craftyguy 8y agoGermany does not live in a vacuum.
- tgragnato 8y agoNevertheless Germany is in CFBLNet, NATO, the 14 and in the Berne club...