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Yep. > Spotify’s aim is to make more money off others’ work. And Apple's aim is to make more money off that more money. It's such an obviously, laughably stup

Yep. > Spotify’s aim is to make more money off others’ work. And Apple's aim is to make more money off that more money. It's such an obviously, laughably stupid argument they're doing there.

dpwm 8y ago
Well, Apple just want to "grow the pie." Although growing on the pie seems a more apt metaphor. Defending 15% fees on second-year subscription is pretty difficult. There's no marketing, very little fraud risk. It's really rent-seeking behaviour – which of course is the commercial point of the walled garden approach. This is Apple exploiting a very lucrative market position, one that they did invest quite a lot of money in – and took quite a gamble – to create.
- ajharrison 8y ago
  > This is Apple exploiting a very lucrative market position, one that they did invest quite a lot of money in – and took quite a gamble – to create. What's wrong with that?
  - _mghw 8y ago
    Consumers get perma-shafted.
    - dpwm 8y ago
      Counterargument: consumers are free to switch their entire phone to enjoy the rent-seeking behavior of another party on another platform.
      - exergy 8y ago
        Definitely no counter-arguments from me. Because of Apple's pricing insanity, I've made sure I own zero of their devices, and I think every person capable of independent thought should do the same.
BlueToth 8y ago
Spotify pays artists a fraction of what Apple pays.
- henriquelimao 8y ago
  Do you have a reference for that?
  - briandear 8y ago
    https://mixmag.net/read/new-data-reveals-which-streaming-platform-pays-artists-the-most-in-royalties-news https://mixmag.net/read/new-data-reveals-which-streaming-pla...
    - tapoxi 8y ago
      I've heard the argument about this is that Spotify has a free tier, and free listens pay out less.
      - henriquelimao 8y ago
        And this makes sense. They are counting the value paid per 1000 plays. If most of users in spotify are free, the average will be lower. Also, spotify has more plays than apple, so the final value paid might be higher.
      - hxegon 8y ago
        This makes me wonder if $ per play is the right metric, versus $ per artist per platform. If you get paid less per play on Spotify, but get many more plays there would that still be a better deal?
    - Steltek 8y ago
      Thanks for that link. It took a second to dig through the layers of news posts to find the original story/data: https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/spotify-apple-music-tidal-music-streaming-services-royalty-rates-compared/ https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/spotify-ap... It looks like Google Play (Google Music?) still wins for compensating artists the most so it's nice to see my choice still holds up over time. To save people the click: * Google Play $0.0068 * iTunes $0.0060 * Spotify $0.0044

Yep. > Spotify’s aim is to make more money off others’ work. And Apple's aim is to make more money off that more money. It's such an obviously, laughably stupid argument they're doing there.

dpwm 8y ago

Well, Apple just want to "grow the pie." Although growing on the pie seems a more apt metaphor. Defending 15% fees on second-year subscription is pretty difficult. There's no marketing, very little fraud risk. It's really rent-seeking behaviour – which of course is the commercial point of the walled garden approach. This is Apple exploiting a very lucrative market position, one that they did invest quite a lot of money in – and took quite a gamble – to create.

ajharrison 8y ago
> This is Apple exploiting a very lucrative market position, one that they did invest quite a lot of money in – and took quite a gamble – to create. What's wrong with that?
- _mghw 8y ago
  Consumers get perma-shafted.
  - dpwm 8y ago
    Counterargument: consumers are free to switch their entire phone to enjoy the rent-seeking behavior of another party on another platform.
    - exergy 8y ago
      Definitely no counter-arguments from me. Because of Apple's pricing insanity, I've made sure I own zero of their devices, and I think every person capable of independent thought should do the same.

BlueToth 8y ago

Spotify pays artists a fraction of what Apple pays.

henriquelimao 8y ago
Do you have a reference for that?
- briandear 8y ago
  https://mixmag.net/read/new-data-reveals-which-streaming-platform-pays-artists-the-most-in-royalties-news https://mixmag.net/read/new-data-reveals-which-streaming-pla...
  - tapoxi 8y ago
    I've heard the argument about this is that Spotify has a free tier, and free listens pay out less.
    - henriquelimao 8y ago
      And this makes sense. They are counting the value paid per 1000 plays. If most of users in spotify are free, the average will be lower. Also, spotify has more plays than apple, so the final value paid might be higher.
    - hxegon 8y ago
      This makes me wonder if $ per play is the right metric, versus $ per artist per platform. If you get paid less per play on Spotify, but get many more plays there would that still be a better deal?
  - Steltek 8y ago
    Thanks for that link. It took a second to dig through the layers of news posts to find the original story/data: https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/spotify-apple-music-tidal-music-streaming-services-royalty-rates-compared/ https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/spotify-ap... It looks like Google Play (Google Music?) still wins for compensating artists the most so it's nice to see my choice still holds up over time. To save people the click: * Google Play $0.0068 * iTunes $0.0060 * Spotify $0.0044