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How do you explain Teslas higher safety record if that was true? Its absolutely no problem using a Touch screen, have been for 4 years and 100.000km in my Mode

How do you explain Teslas higher safety record if that was true? Its absolutely no problem using a Touch screen, have been for 4 years and 100.000km in my Model S.

netsharc 8y ago
Sigh... "This car has a higher safety record, it has a touch screen, that must mean touch screens are safer!".
- wrve 8y ago
  I think the argument they try to make is that the car is safe despite of the touchscreen.
  - stingraycharles 8y ago
    But that could be because of all the safety features. How do you know it would not be even safer without the touchscreen?
    - natch 8y ago
      Yes need three square feet of dizzying knob porn crawling and festooning every part of the dashboard. And a little bitty screen you have to lean and squint to read. Makes sense. /s
- natch 8y ago
  You have it backwards. The claim is that touch screens are less safe. The claim is being presented with evidence that contradicts the claim. That’s not the same as making a new claim that touch screens are safer. Sigh.
oblio 8y ago
Higher safety record? You mean this: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safet...? Isn't that just a bunch of crash tests?
- martin_bech 8y ago
  No im talking about accidents pr. mile which is way lower for Teslas, than the average.
  - oblio 8y ago
    Same, irrelevant. The average includes much cheaper cars, much older cars, cars with way worse security features, etc. How's Tesla doing compared to the upper-mid range or luxury cars?
saiya-jin 8y ago
I can guarantee you that every time I take my sight off the road, even down to speed/rev/consumption/etc screen behind the steering wheel, I can't properly register whats happening in front of me. Have enough driving experience in various cars to see this is consistent. I can clearly register car in front of me slamming the brakes or similar bright event, but for example a deer running across the road, nope. Or car changing lane, especially without any lights on during day (btw why the heck is this not mandatory everywhere, all the time? it can literally save lives every single effin' day). Central panel is much worse in this - there can be an atomic blast on the horizon and I wouldn't notice it, its just too far on periphery of the vision. It is bad, it is lame, and what is/was perceived as 'premium' feature is actually cheaping out on customers. I have 15-year old beamer which doesn't even support mp3, and on board computer means it shows me outside temperature and consumption. Everything is manual, with dedicated knobs of various shapes. I love it and wouldn't want anything else (which is worrying since this stupid trend took over whole car industry and eventually I will have to switch my car).
- natch 8y ago
  >I can guarantee you that every time I take my sight off the road, even down to speed/rev/consumption/etc screen behind the steering wheel, I can't properly register whats happening in front of me. Maybe your controls are too dark and hard to read. I haven’t had this problem with the large Tesla screen, although I almost never have to look at it. When I do it’s very clear and the important things are in known fixed places and easy to read. If I do need to look at the screen I can turn on auto pilot or cruise control, a subset of autopilot functionality. Cruise control can be turned on at 0 mph or higher, and it follows the speed limit, dynamically updating as it changes, with user-adjustable leeway above or below. The cruise control maintains distance to the car in front of me and slows or stops for deer running across the road. Yes other cars have this but the point is it takes care of that point about cars stopping suddenly. So no worries while glancing at the screen. I’m not sure what it does for your hyperbolic atomic bomb scenario. All in all, it’s not as bad as you think, although for some it does require a taste adjustment I guess.
- martin_a 8y ago
  > especially without any lights on during day (btw why the heck is this not mandatory everywhere, all the time? it can literally save lives every single effin' day). Nope. This kills cyclists and motorbike riders. Our eyes/mind get used to headlights and don't see any speciality in them anymore which leads to overlooking those as they are just part of the normal scenery. In former times, when only motorbikes were driving with headlights in bright daylight, you were much more aware of the fact that there was a "special vehicle" approaching you.
bcaulfield 8y ago
Perhaps, so, but they're boring. I want big clicky buttons, large clacky nobs, and ostentatious levers.
- natch 8y ago
  So, what car do you think is best in these respects?
  - pampa 8y ago
    bmw
    - natch 8y ago
      Huh, makes sense. I see you’re not op (that’s fine of course) but I’ll have to check out their electric models.
    - martin_bech 8y ago
      Bmws have a touchpad, all new Bmws have a toucscreen. The only electric Bmw, the i3 has a touchscreen..

How do you explain Teslas higher safety record if that was true? Its absolutely no problem using a Touch screen, have been for 4 years and 100.000km in my Model S.

netsharc 8y ago

Sigh... "This car has a higher safety record, it has a touch screen, that must mean touch screens are safer!".

wrve 8y ago
I think the argument they try to make is that the car is safe despite of the touchscreen.
- stingraycharles 8y ago
  But that could be because of all the safety features. How do you know it would not be even safer without the touchscreen?
  - natch 8y ago
    Yes need three square feet of dizzying knob porn crawling and festooning every part of the dashboard. And a little bitty screen you have to lean and squint to read. Makes sense. /s
natch 8y ago
You have it backwards. The claim is that touch screens are less safe. The claim is being presented with evidence that contradicts the claim. That’s not the same as making a new claim that touch screens are safer. Sigh.

oblio 8y ago

Higher safety record? You mean this: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safet...? Isn't that just a bunch of crash tests?

martin_bech 8y ago
No im talking about accidents pr. mile which is way lower for Teslas, than the average.
- oblio 8y ago
  Same, irrelevant. The average includes much cheaper cars, much older cars, cars with way worse security features, etc. How's Tesla doing compared to the upper-mid range or luxury cars?

saiya-jin 8y ago

I can guarantee you that every time I take my sight off the road, even down to speed/rev/consumption/etc screen behind the steering wheel, I can't properly register whats happening in front of me. Have enough driving experience in various cars to see this is consistent. I can clearly register car in front of me slamming the brakes or similar bright event, but for example a deer running across the road, nope. Or car changing lane, especially without any lights on during day (btw why the heck is this not mandatory everywhere, all the time? it can literally save lives every single effin' day). Central panel is much worse in this - there can be an atomic blast on the horizon and I wouldn't notice it, its just too far on periphery of the vision. It is bad, it is lame, and what is/was perceived as 'premium' feature is actually cheaping out on customers. I have 15-year old beamer which doesn't even support mp3, and on board computer means it shows me outside temperature and consumption. Everything is manual, with dedicated knobs of various shapes. I love it and wouldn't want anything else (which is worrying since this stupid trend took over whole car industry and eventually I will have to switch my car).

natch 8y ago
>I can guarantee you that every time I take my sight off the road, even down to speed/rev/consumption/etc screen behind the steering wheel, I can't properly register whats happening in front of me. Maybe your controls are too dark and hard to read. I haven’t had this problem with the large Tesla screen, although I almost never have to look at it. When I do it’s very clear and the important things are in known fixed places and easy to read. If I do need to look at the screen I can turn on auto pilot or cruise control, a subset of autopilot functionality. Cruise control can be turned on at 0 mph or higher, and it follows the speed limit, dynamically updating as it changes, with user-adjustable leeway above or below. The cruise control maintains distance to the car in front of me and slows or stops for deer running across the road. Yes other cars have this but the point is it takes care of that point about cars stopping suddenly. So no worries while glancing at the screen. I’m not sure what it does for your hyperbolic atomic bomb scenario. All in all, it’s not as bad as you think, although for some it does require a taste adjustment I guess.
martin_a 8y ago
> especially without any lights on during day (btw why the heck is this not mandatory everywhere, all the time? it can literally save lives every single effin' day). Nope. This kills cyclists and motorbike riders. Our eyes/mind get used to headlights and don't see any speciality in them anymore which leads to overlooking those as they are just part of the normal scenery. In former times, when only motorbikes were driving with headlights in bright daylight, you were much more aware of the fact that there was a "special vehicle" approaching you.

bcaulfield 8y ago

Perhaps, so, but they're boring. I want big clicky buttons, large clacky nobs, and ostentatious levers.

natch 8y ago
So, what car do you think is best in these respects?
- pampa 8y ago
  bmw
  - natch 8y ago
    Huh, makes sense. I see you’re not op (that’s fine of course) but I’ll have to check out their electric models.
  - martin_bech 8y ago
    Bmws have a touchpad, all new Bmws have a toucscreen. The only electric Bmw, the i3 has a touchscreen..