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> Spotify wouldn’t be the business they are today without the App Store ecosystem, Apple makes Microsoft look like an angel. Using this argument, Microsoft cou

by zaidf 8y ago

> Spotify wouldn’t be the business they are today without the App Store ecosystem, Apple makes Microsoft look like an angel. Using this argument, Microsoft could claim they could have made hundreds of billions if they got a cut out of every Windows app sale. Oh, and that those companies wouldn't exist if it weren't for Windows.

bad_user 8y ago
Apple popularized trusted computing. And yes, it's as bad as we feared it would be back in the '90s.
- nolok 8y ago
  Ehhh I feel like Unix/Linux popularized trusted computing, Apple merely added a price tag on it. But I may be blinded by my techie point of view about "popularized".
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > I may be blinded by my techie point of view about "popularized" Yeah, unfortunately it seems like we're still in the state where UNIX/Linux can't popularize anything, especially themselves, unless they're repackaged by someone else :(
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  Apple popularized me not spending hours of time troubleshooting and restarting and letting me do what I want to do.
  - jeremy7600 8y ago
    Sad/angry/sick macs the world over would like a word with you.
paavoova 8y ago
Look at what Apple is doing to native integration [1]: Because it uses these deep integration APIs, we're only allowed to distribute the application using the macOS App Store (whose rejections, appeals, and eventual acceptance made for quite the stressful saga over the last week and a half) Imagine having to get certified by the Linux Foundation, under distribution clause, to access native Linux kernel APIs. But that's what the developer of Wiregaurd has to do to gain access to native macOS integration. [1] https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2019-February/003853.html https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2019-February/00...
- zx2c4 8y ago
  In addition, Windows 10 requires that Microsoft approve and sign each kernel driver that's loaded, actually. https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-driver-docs/blob/HEAD/windows-driver-docs-pr/install/kernel-mode-code-signing-policy--windows-vista-and-later-.md https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-driver-docs/blob/HE...
013a 8y ago
It doesn't seem like Apple said that Spotify wouldn't exist. Just that they wouldn't be the business they are today. Which is absolutely true of Microsoft as well. The sheer productivity boon that Office has added to businesses around the world is unmatched by practically any other piece of software ever written. Most of the businesses would still exist, but they wouldn't be the same business. Excel, Powerpoint, and Word are ridiculously important software.

by zaidf 8y ago

bad_user 8y ago

Apple popularized trusted computing. And yes, it's as bad as we feared it would be back in the '90s.

nolok 8y ago
Ehhh I feel like Unix/Linux popularized trusted computing, Apple merely added a price tag on it. But I may be blinded by my techie point of view about "popularized".
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > I may be blinded by my techie point of view about "popularized" Yeah, unfortunately it seems like we're still in the state where UNIX/Linux can't popularize anything, especially themselves, unless they're repackaged by someone else :(
lotsofpulp 8y ago
Apple popularized me not spending hours of time troubleshooting and restarting and letting me do what I want to do.
- jeremy7600 8y ago
  Sad/angry/sick macs the world over would like a word with you.

paavoova 8y ago

Look at what Apple is doing to native integration [1]: Because it uses these deep integration APIs, we're only allowed to distribute the application using the macOS App Store (whose rejections, appeals, and eventual acceptance made for quite the stressful saga over the last week and a half) Imagine having to get certified by the Linux Foundation, under distribution clause, to access native Linux kernel APIs. But that's what the developer of Wiregaurd has to do to gain access to native macOS integration. [1] https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2019-February/003853.html https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2019-February/00...

zx2c4 8y ago
In addition, Windows 10 requires that Microsoft approve and sign each kernel driver that's loaded, actually. https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-driver-docs/blob/HEAD/windows-driver-docs-pr/install/kernel-mode-code-signing-policy--windows-vista-and-later-.md https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-driver-docs/blob/HE...

013a 8y ago

It doesn't seem like Apple said that Spotify wouldn't exist. Just that they wouldn't be the business they are today. Which is absolutely true of Microsoft as well. The sheer productivity boon that Office has added to businesses around the world is unmatched by practically any other piece of software ever written. Most of the businesses would still exist, but they wouldn't be the same business. Excel, Powerpoint, and Word are ridiculously important software.