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“Full self-driving capabilities” One of the items listed is your car finding you in a parking lot. I gotta day... I really don’t want to get hit by a self-driv

“Full self-driving capabilities” One of the items listed is your car finding you in a parking lot. I gotta day... I really don’t want to get hit by a self-driving Tesla in a parking lot. Having experienced some of the auto-pilot issues first hand... I have serious doubts about this one.

mikejb 8y ago
"pending regulatory approval" They won't get that for a long time. Autopilot is a driver assist feature. The step to "the driver doesn't have to pay attention/be present" is gigantic, and I'm not holding my breath until Tesla will get that right.
- seniorsassycat 8y ago
  Aren't many parking lots private land and therefore not regulated?
  - mikejb 8y ago
    That's a good point, and I guess highly dependent on location. I honestly don't know how this works in the US, though in Germany pretty much every private parking lot has signs that the road traffic regulations apply, which would then result in the same limitations as on the road. I think (read: hope) that there is some regulation for traffic on privately owned parking lots in the US, and at least a superficial skim of what information the internet has to offer, there are some rules of the road that may also apply to private property (e.g. reckless driving, impaired driving, vehicular homicide, ...). This might limit what Tesla can (or is willing to) do even on privately owned parking lots. But I'm not a lawyer (obviously), so this is just an idiots' take. I guess this question goes on the list of "problems modern technology presents that regulations need to prepare for".
  - unityByFreedom 8y ago
    You can't just run someone over b/c private. The company or driver could be held liable.
ec109685 8y ago
It's not like humans are perfect in parkings lots though.
- computerex 8y ago
  Humans aren't perfect but the rate of incident for human drivers is surprisingly low, it is well below 1% of all miles driven. Tesla wouldn't even remotely come close to achieving human level safety.
  - ec109685 8y ago
    What do you base that on?
    - computerex 8y ago
      Basic statistics http://www.driverless-future.com/?page_id=983 http://www.driverless-future.com/?page_id=983
      - ec109685 8y ago
        How in the world does that article say this: Tesla wouldn't even remotely come close to achieving human level safety A million Teslas on the road generate 10 billion miles a year.
        computerex 8y ago
        Did you even bother reading the article? Because the point is, as of right now, the number of human driven miles completely and utterly dwarfs the number of autonomous miles. That's why in order to compare the relative safeties, you'd need several orders of magnitudes of more sample data from the autonomous driving side. Please try to understand the underlying statistics, it's really not hard.
        ec109685 8y ago

mikejb 8y ago

"pending regulatory approval" They won't get that for a long time. Autopilot is a driver assist feature. The step to "the driver doesn't have to pay attention/be present" is gigantic, and I'm not holding my breath until Tesla will get that right.

seniorsassycat 8y ago
Aren't many parking lots private land and therefore not regulated?
- mikejb 8y ago
  That's a good point, and I guess highly dependent on location. I honestly don't know how this works in the US, though in Germany pretty much every private parking lot has signs that the road traffic regulations apply, which would then result in the same limitations as on the road. I think (read: hope) that there is some regulation for traffic on privately owned parking lots in the US, and at least a superficial skim of what information the internet has to offer, there are some rules of the road that may also apply to private property (e.g. reckless driving, impaired driving, vehicular homicide, ...). This might limit what Tesla can (or is willing to) do even on privately owned parking lots. But I'm not a lawyer (obviously), so this is just an idiots' take. I guess this question goes on the list of "problems modern technology presents that regulations need to prepare for".
- unityByFreedom 8y ago
  You can't just run someone over b/c private. The company or driver could be held liable.

ec109685 8y ago

It's not like humans are perfect in parkings lots though.

computerex 8y ago
Humans aren't perfect but the rate of incident for human drivers is surprisingly low, it is well below 1% of all miles driven. Tesla wouldn't even remotely come close to achieving human level safety.
- ec109685 8y ago
  What do you base that on?
  - computerex 8y ago
    Basic statistics http://www.driverless-future.com/?page_id=983 http://www.driverless-future.com/?page_id=983
    - ec109685 8y ago
      How in the world does that article say this: Tesla wouldn't even remotely come close to achieving human level safety A million Teslas on the road generate 10 billion miles a year.
      - computerex 8y ago
        Did you even bother reading the article? Because the point is, as of right now, the number of human driven miles completely and utterly dwarfs the number of autonomous miles. That's why in order to compare the relative safeties, you'd need several orders of magnitudes of more sample data from the autonomous driving side. Please try to understand the underlying statistics, it's really not hard.
        ec109685 8y ago