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> Curious if Tesla attempts such a line next. and how exactly would they do that? their non-automated lines barely work.

colordrops 8y ago
> their non-automated lines barely work. citation?
- zemvpferreira 8y ago
  Tesla production problems are well documented: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tesla-model-3-production-stock-problems-engineering https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tesla-model-3-production-sto... Heck, their line was catching fire on a weekly basis a few months ago. Academic citations hardly necessary.
  - jsight 8y ago
    Now you are just making things up. Citations are really necessary when you start claiming things are catching fire on a weekly basis.
    - nikofeyn 8y ago
      i think they must be referring to tesla factory fires happening in fall of 2018, which is easily searchable (how i found it). apparently there were reports of frequent fires before a big one.
      - jsight 8y ago
        I am aware of fires both last year and this year. I am not aware of fires on a production line on a weekly basis. That claim is simply an absurdity.
nkoren 8y ago
That's FUD BS. You don't produce nearly a quarter of a million cars if your production line "barely works". The truth is that they're now routinely exceeding a thousand Model 3 cars per day. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/
- nikofeyn 8y ago
  they have a history of manufacturing problems, do they not? they may not be having them at this very moment, but it is well documented and discussed that they have had issues. i think when you're building cars in a makeshift, outdoor assembly line just a year ago, you can't say that you have everything together. maybe they've hit their numbers, but their manufacturing process hasn't been elegant. is this incorrect? and this is a personal opinion, i think founded in some objective reality, but i don't believe teslas to be well-manufactured or designed from a non-owner's perspective. i have sat in them and ridden in one, and it just is not an impressive design and fit and finish to me compared to more entrenched car companies. this is both a design and manufacturing issue, from my understanding. the point of my comment, which i thought was clear, was a counter to the continual tesla hype in that "can't wait until tesla addresses <this> problem" as if they've conquered all problems that have come before. toyota has it together and has a significant amount of r&d that goes into their advanced assembly lines. it's a bit laughable to think of tesla suddenly taking them on in automation given their historical troubles. or am i wrong? also, those numbers are fine, but tesla isn't even the largest electric car manufacturer in the world, by sales numbers. and they don't approach traditional car makers. for example, kia sells around 600,000 cars in a single year, and that is including say three times as many models as tesla has available. tesla isn't some manufacturing darling story as far as i can tell. they have no ability to yearly iterate like other car companies. or do they? how do they update their models? i think the point remains: it is flippant to suggest they can just suddenly innovate on an automated line.

colordrops 8y ago

> their non-automated lines barely work. citation?

zemvpferreira 8y ago
Tesla production problems are well documented: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tesla-model-3-production-stock-problems-engineering https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tesla-model-3-production-sto... Heck, their line was catching fire on a weekly basis a few months ago. Academic citations hardly necessary.
- jsight 8y ago
  Now you are just making things up. Citations are really necessary when you start claiming things are catching fire on a weekly basis.
  - nikofeyn 8y ago
    i think they must be referring to tesla factory fires happening in fall of 2018, which is easily searchable (how i found it). apparently there were reports of frequent fires before a big one.
    - jsight 8y ago
      I am aware of fires both last year and this year. I am not aware of fires on a production line on a weekly basis. That claim is simply an absurdity.

nkoren 8y ago

That's FUD BS. You don't produce nearly a quarter of a million cars if your production line "barely works". The truth is that they're now routinely exceeding a thousand Model 3 cars per day. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/

nikofeyn 8y ago
they have a history of manufacturing problems, do they not? they may not be having them at this very moment, but it is well documented and discussed that they have had issues. i think when you're building cars in a makeshift, outdoor assembly line just a year ago, you can't say that you have everything together. maybe they've hit their numbers, but their manufacturing process hasn't been elegant. is this incorrect? and this is a personal opinion, i think founded in some objective reality, but i don't believe teslas to be well-manufactured or designed from a non-owner's perspective. i have sat in them and ridden in one, and it just is not an impressive design and fit and finish to me compared to more entrenched car companies. this is both a design and manufacturing issue, from my understanding. the point of my comment, which i thought was clear, was a counter to the continual tesla hype in that "can't wait until tesla addresses <this> problem" as if they've conquered all problems that have come before. toyota has it together and has a significant amount of r&d that goes into their advanced assembly lines. it's a bit laughable to think of tesla suddenly taking them on in automation given their historical troubles. or am i wrong? also, those numbers are fine, but tesla isn't even the largest electric car manufacturer in the world, by sales numbers. and they don't approach traditional car makers. for example, kia sells around 600,000 cars in a single year, and that is including say three times as many models as tesla has available. tesla isn't some manufacturing darling story as far as i can tell. they have no ability to yearly iterate like other car companies. or do they? how do they update their models? i think the point remains: it is flippant to suggest they can just suddenly innovate on an automated line.