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> Have there been any competitions to make an open source, highly scalable and verifiable anti-tampering voting system Yes, for thousands of years. The result

> Have there been any competitions to make an open source, highly scalable and verifiable anti-tampering voting system Yes, for thousands of years. The result is called the paper ballot. You cannot have a verifiable anti-tampering voting system using computers. You need verifiability by the general public. Auditing a microchip is not something members of the general public know how to do, and in any case, it detroys the chip, so it's kinda useless anyway.

LinuxBender 8y ago
Are those tamper proof? I recall some engineers testifying before congress about specifically making paper ballot systems that were designed to allow altering results. DieBold I think? I don't have a link handy, but it seems that is just as fallible. Or do you mean hand written ballots? Does anyone still use those? And yeah, the digital ones have been hacked at DefCon by children. (their parents taught them how to hack the devices, so I guess that is cheating) Maybe throw in some Blockchain or did I use a BS Bingo term?
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
  > Or do you mean hand written ballots? Does anyone still use those? Yes. The constitutional court of Germany ruled that electronic voting is essentially illegal in Germany due to all the inherent flaws, so all elections are done with pen and paper, ballot boxes, and manual counting.
  - LinuxBender 8y ago
    That's very impressive.
- Skye 8y ago
  In the UK, ballots are still done with pen and paper. You put a cross in one of the labelled squares and fold the paper, then drop it into the ballot box. Also, while the guidelines say it has to be a cross, it could be any clear mark (though best not to risk it), as soneone drew a rude symbol in a square and it was counted as a vote! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32693485 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32693485)
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  > Does anyone still use those? Most of the world's leading democracies. The USA is actually the outlier.

LinuxBender 8y ago

Are those tamper proof? I recall some engineers testifying before congress about specifically making paper ballot systems that were designed to allow altering results. DieBold I think? I don't have a link handy, but it seems that is just as fallible. Or do you mean hand written ballots? Does anyone still use those? And yeah, the digital ones have been hacked at DefCon by children. (their parents taught them how to hack the devices, so I guess that is cheating) Maybe throw in some Blockchain or did I use a BS Bingo term?

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
> Or do you mean hand written ballots? Does anyone still use those? Yes. The constitutional court of Germany ruled that electronic voting is essentially illegal in Germany due to all the inherent flaws, so all elections are done with pen and paper, ballot boxes, and manual counting.
- LinuxBender 8y ago
  That's very impressive.
Skye 8y ago
In the UK, ballots are still done with pen and paper. You put a cross in one of the labelled squares and fold the paper, then drop it into the ballot box. Also, while the guidelines say it has to be a cross, it could be any clear mark (though best not to risk it), as soneone drew a rude symbol in a square and it was counted as a vote! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32693485 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32693485)
jacques_chester 8y ago
> Does anyone still use those? Most of the world's leading democracies. The USA is actually the outlier.