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>Banning snake oil is never a part of a free society. People have a right to delude themselves. Imagine having a child with autism, you are overwhelmed by it, y

>Banning snake oil is never a part of a free society. People have a right to delude themselves. Imagine having a child with autism, you are overwhelmed by it, you are unwilling to accept what the doctors tell you. I don't agree with you because parents are making decisions for their children - if it was your decision to put it in your own body, perhaps. But the State has an obligation to defend the rights of children, and in this case if they need to step in to prevent parents poisoning their kids they should do so.

nickysielicki 8y ago
Well I'll admit I'm a little unorthodox here, but nothing is more naturally obvious to me than the idea that children belong to their parents, and I don't think there's a lot of middle ground, and I think society has gone much too far in taking away the right of parents to decide anything and everything for their children. Nothing happens in a bubble. If a parent doesn't want to vaccinate or wants to give their kid marijuana, that's just a data point within the spectrum of the type of decisions that this parent will make for their child over the years. So we draw a few lines in the sand -- you have to vaccinate, you have to send them to school for 8 hours times 9 months a year, you can't give them XYZ to treat their autism, where does it end? Are vegan parents who force their children to be vegan dangerous and child abusing? Besides, the fact that a parent reads a book does not imply that they will act on it. Maybe they know in the back of their mind that it's all bullshit, but for an hour a night before bed, they get some comfort out of the fantasy.
- patejam 8y ago
  The slippery slope argument is pretty lame. Where's the line? Parents shouldn't be allowed to harm their children. There's the line right there. Is the vegan diet harmful to the child? Probably not, but you'll have your child taken away if your child is malnourished.
  - cr0sh 8y ago
    > Parents shouldn't be allowed to harm their children. But not getting them vaccinated doesn't harm their children... ...provided that everyone else around their children is vaccinated. But when that population drops low enough...then herd immunity stops working. Then their children get sick, and other children may also get sick, etc. So a parent not harming their children is increasing the risk to other parent's children that they will be harmed. Should parents be allowed to stochastically harm other parent's children? Nobody can prove it in the individual case - but statistically it can be shown to cause such harm... None of that brings into the discussion that such unvaccinated children could become sick and pass it on to other immunocompromised individuals (adults and children)...
- driverdan 8y ago
  >...where does it end? Nice slippery slope fallacy.

nickysielicki 8y ago

Well I'll admit I'm a little unorthodox here, but nothing is more naturally obvious to me than the idea that children belong to their parents, and I don't think there's a lot of middle ground, and I think society has gone much too far in taking away the right of parents to decide anything and everything for their children. Nothing happens in a bubble. If a parent doesn't want to vaccinate or wants to give their kid marijuana, that's just a data point within the spectrum of the type of decisions that this parent will make for their child over the years. So we draw a few lines in the sand -- you have to vaccinate, you have to send them to school for 8 hours times 9 months a year, you can't give them XYZ to treat their autism, where does it end? Are vegan parents who force their children to be vegan dangerous and child abusing? Besides, the fact that a parent reads a book does not imply that they will act on it. Maybe they know in the back of their mind that it's all bullshit, but for an hour a night before bed, they get some comfort out of the fantasy.

patejam 8y ago
The slippery slope argument is pretty lame. Where's the line? Parents shouldn't be allowed to harm their children. There's the line right there. Is the vegan diet harmful to the child? Probably not, but you'll have your child taken away if your child is malnourished.
- cr0sh 8y ago
  > Parents shouldn't be allowed to harm their children. But not getting them vaccinated doesn't harm their children... ...provided that everyone else around their children is vaccinated. But when that population drops low enough...then herd immunity stops working. Then their children get sick, and other children may also get sick, etc. So a parent not harming their children is increasing the risk to other parent's children that they will be harmed. Should parents be allowed to stochastically harm other parent's children? Nobody can prove it in the individual case - but statistically it can be shown to cause such harm... None of that brings into the discussion that such unvaccinated children could become sick and pass it on to other immunocompromised individuals (adults and children)...
driverdan 8y ago
>...where does it end? Nice slippery slope fallacy.