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> Not vaccinating your kids should be classified as a child protection offence (unless there is medical basis from a panel, not one quack). Kids are confiscated

> Not vaccinating your kids should be classified as a child protection offence (unless there is medical basis from a panel, not one quack). Kids are confiscated, vaccinated and put into state care after one warning Great, once you pass that law you'll have drug companies lobbying to get their vaccine listed on your "must inject by age X or get your kids taken away" list. Imagine the revenue for every kid in the country being mandated to inject your vaccine. Usually, our attempt to bring risk to 0 brings tyranny close to 100. The scenes of the government dragging a kid out of their parent's grasp and injecting a needle into their arms is straight out of any stereotypical dystopian novel. Yes, it can be frustrating fighting disinformation, but patience and kindness is almost always better in the long run IMO than force and punishment. I understand the desire to eliminate unnecessary risk, but getting everyone vaccinated and respecting individual freedom is not an easy task. Our country is more vaccinated than it's ever been, but the last few % might take longer than most people would like.

setquk 8y ago
And I ask you this question: is it morally acceptable to allow someone to harm someone else?
- everdev 8y ago
  That by itself is a complex question. Most people consider violent self defense to be OK. People's ability to buy alcohol is a safety risk. Many crimes and fatal accidents involve alcohol. Do we force everyone to stop drinking alcohol? I can't think of a government policy that has implemented 100% adoption without tyranny. I'm all for as close to 100% as we can get, but I don't want to lose our values of freedom and respect to get there.
anigbrowl 8y ago
People who set their kids up to be plague carriers are treading perilously close negligent abuse of a child. There are medical reasons not to vaccinate some kids, and there are evidentiary standards to determine whether those reasons apply. Yes, it can be frustrating fighting disinformation, but patience and kindness is almost always better in the long run IMO than force and punishment. There are disease outbreaks taking place right now and people making anti-vaccination speeches to rallies of supporters in the middle of the area where the disease outbreak is taking place. I'm really all out of patience and kindness when people are deliberately incubating highly communicable diseases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_hYgFWehDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_hYgFWehDY < PBS newshour report from a week ago including footage from one such rally. I view these people with the same enthusiasm that I would view someone pouring gasoline on the walls of a building structure. I understand the desire to eliminate unnecessary risk Disease outbreaks are real. You are describing vaccination as equivalent to a scene from a dystopian novel, asking us to get upset about an imaginary ill.

setquk 8y ago

And I ask you this question: is it morally acceptable to allow someone to harm someone else?

everdev 8y ago
That by itself is a complex question. Most people consider violent self defense to be OK. People's ability to buy alcohol is a safety risk. Many crimes and fatal accidents involve alcohol. Do we force everyone to stop drinking alcohol? I can't think of a government policy that has implemented 100% adoption without tyranny. I'm all for as close to 100% as we can get, but I don't want to lose our values of freedom and respect to get there.

anigbrowl 8y ago

People who set their kids up to be plague carriers are treading perilously close negligent abuse of a child. There are medical reasons not to vaccinate some kids, and there are evidentiary standards to determine whether those reasons apply. Yes, it can be frustrating fighting disinformation, but patience and kindness is almost always better in the long run IMO than force and punishment. There are disease outbreaks taking place right now and people making anti-vaccination speeches to rallies of supporters in the middle of the area where the disease outbreak is taking place. I'm really all out of patience and kindness when people are deliberately incubating highly communicable diseases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_hYgFWehDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_hYgFWehDY < PBS newshour report from a week ago including footage from one such rally. I view these people with the same enthusiasm that I would view someone pouring gasoline on the walls of a building structure. I understand the desire to eliminate unnecessary risk Disease outbreaks are real. You are describing vaccination as equivalent to a scene from a dystopian novel, asking us to get upset about an imaginary ill.