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This data's been available for several days at the least, right? Are they just trying to come up with an explanation for why they now support a grounding that

This data's been available for several days at the least, right? Are they just trying to come up with an explanation for why they now support a grounding that they opposed yesterday that isn't "the President told us to"?

Someone1234 8y ago
I'd argue yes. It is identical data from ADS-B that we've had for days. People keep reiterating their "verified" line, but that had no basis when they said it, repeating it doesn't add to its legitimacy. The data today is the same data we had then. It is essentially a way to ignore the data until it is politically expedient.
root_axis 8y ago
I was unaware that the president was involved in the decision making process, do you have any more details on that?
- iscrewyou 8y ago
  My understanding is, the president can’t order the FAA head to do anything. But he can issue an executive order for something to be done (ground a certain plane). That’s what I read what he did. BUT I tried looking up the executive order; couldn’t find one on federalregister.gov.
  - Bud 8y ago
    I doubt you actually read that. There was no reporting in the mainstream press of any executive order.
    - ejstronge 8y ago
      > I doubt you actually read that. There was no reporting in the mainstream press of any executive order. This is incorrect. Simply Googling '737 max executive order' turns up multiple hits. This doesn't mean there was an actual order, however. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=+executive+order+737+max https://www.google.com/search?q=+executive+order+737+max
      - iscrewyou 8y ago
        Maybe he thinks if the executive issues an order, that is an executive order? There’s a chance I believe that with this administration.
      - Bud 8y ago
        There definitely wasn't an executive order, as is made crystal clear if you actually click through on a few of those hits.
  - dboreham 8y ago
    Twitter?
- Bud 8y ago
  There's zero evidence so far that Trump had anything to do with that. Certainly he shouldn't. But of course, we should have a fully-functioning and fully-staffed FAA, too. But we don't, because of Trump intentionally hamstringing it, and because of antics like trying to get his personal pilot named head of FAA when he came into office.
  - dagoat 8y ago
    John Dunkin is the pilot you refer to. Do you think that he should be excluded from the job based on his Trump affiliation - or are there specific things he lacks that would mean he would be unsuitable for the job? It appears that Mr. Dunkin has decades of experience as a pilot and has no previous affiliation with the FAA.
    - bdavisx 8y ago
      Decades of non-management experience in the same field qualifies you to run a 30,000 employee agency? I've got decades of non-management software dev experience, perhaps I should be in charge of Microsoft?
      - dagoat 8y ago
        Good point. And I think that is an important consideration. However, to be clear, he does have smaller scale management experience - most likely consistently, but at the very least during the Trump campaign. Perhaps he would be wrong for the job, but certainly there are examples of both experienced and less experienced/inexperienced persons doing awful jobs at the helm of agencies, companies, and even countries. I would also add that being in charge of such a massive organization often means you do not get to make off the cuff or unilateral decisions so easily as you would, say, at a 50 person organization. You do certainly get to steer, but there are many other hands on the wheel. As for you being CEO of MS, Satya is doing a decent enough job + I know nothing of your background and you come off as under confident in your ability to do the job. So I'll go with no :p
    - TheLoneAdmin 8y ago
- Kye 8y ago
  It's political telephone. There was a widely-circulated story yesterday that Trump grounded the plane. Verifying before sharing is not as common as it should be.
  - luxuryballs 8y ago
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/donald-trump-boeing-faa/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/donald-trump-boeing-...
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
- luxuryballs 8y ago
  https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/433902-trump-announces-us-to-ground-boeing-737-max-planes https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/433902-trump-annou...

Someone1234 8y ago

I'd argue yes. It is identical data from ADS-B that we've had for days. People keep reiterating their "verified" line, but that had no basis when they said it, repeating it doesn't add to its legitimacy. The data today is the same data we had then. It is essentially a way to ignore the data until it is politically expedient.

root_axis 8y ago

I was unaware that the president was involved in the decision making process, do you have any more details on that?

iscrewyou 8y ago
My understanding is, the president can’t order the FAA head to do anything. But he can issue an executive order for something to be done (ground a certain plane). That’s what I read what he did. BUT I tried looking up the executive order; couldn’t find one on federalregister.gov.
- Bud 8y ago
  I doubt you actually read that. There was no reporting in the mainstream press of any executive order.
  - ejstronge 8y ago
    > I doubt you actually read that. There was no reporting in the mainstream press of any executive order. This is incorrect. Simply Googling '737 max executive order' turns up multiple hits. This doesn't mean there was an actual order, however. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=+executive+order+737+max https://www.google.com/search?q=+executive+order+737+max
    - iscrewyou 8y ago
      Maybe he thinks if the executive issues an order, that is an executive order? There’s a chance I believe that with this administration.
    - Bud 8y ago
      There definitely wasn't an executive order, as is made crystal clear if you actually click through on a few of those hits.
- dboreham 8y ago
  Twitter?
Bud 8y ago
There's zero evidence so far that Trump had anything to do with that. Certainly he shouldn't. But of course, we should have a fully-functioning and fully-staffed FAA, too. But we don't, because of Trump intentionally hamstringing it, and because of antics like trying to get his personal pilot named head of FAA when he came into office.
- dagoat 8y ago
  John Dunkin is the pilot you refer to. Do you think that he should be excluded from the job based on his Trump affiliation - or are there specific things he lacks that would mean he would be unsuitable for the job? It appears that Mr. Dunkin has decades of experience as a pilot and has no previous affiliation with the FAA.
  - bdavisx 8y ago
    Decades of non-management experience in the same field qualifies you to run a 30,000 employee agency? I've got decades of non-management software dev experience, perhaps I should be in charge of Microsoft?
    - dagoat 8y ago
      Good point. And I think that is an important consideration. However, to be clear, he does have smaller scale management experience - most likely consistently, but at the very least during the Trump campaign. Perhaps he would be wrong for the job, but certainly there are examples of both experienced and less experienced/inexperienced persons doing awful jobs at the helm of agencies, companies, and even countries. I would also add that being in charge of such a massive organization often means you do not get to make off the cuff or unilateral decisions so easily as you would, say, at a 50 person organization. You do certainly get to steer, but there are many other hands on the wheel. As for you being CEO of MS, Satya is doing a decent enough job + I know nothing of your background and you come off as under confident in your ability to do the job. So I'll go with no :p
  - TheLoneAdmin 8y ago
Kye 8y ago
It's political telephone. There was a widely-circulated story yesterday that Trump grounded the plane. Verifying before sharing is not as common as it should be.
- luxuryballs 8y ago
  https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/donald-trump-boeing-faa/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/donald-trump-boeing-...
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
luxuryballs 8y ago
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/433902-trump-announces-us-to-ground-boeing-737-max-planes https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/433902-trump-annou...