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Honestly, both Sweden, Denmark and Norway have growing problems with influx of immigrants and refugees, who are unable to contribute, but nonetheless must be of
by johnyzee 18y ago
Honestly, both Sweden, Denmark and Norway have growing problems with influx of immigrants and refugees, who are unable to contribute, but nonetheless must be offered the same benefits as everyone else. This is creating a dangerous backlash.
To say that you can't generalize about work ethic and business integrity just shows a lack of experience. Please travel to the rest of the world.
The reason our countries are like this is what's been hinted at: Affluency and homogenous cultures. The real test of a society, in my opinion, is what happens when you have to adapt? When diverse groups join or sources of wealth become scarcer.
In this regard the American model has really proven itself: Let everyone in, but expect them to make it work for themselves instead of having everything handed to them. (Unfortunately, lately America is preferring the Fort Apache model.)
- michael_dorfman 18y agoI'm one of those "immigrants" in Norway, and I seem to have been able to contribute just fine-- in fact, my start-up employees 30 people, most of them natives. My reticence to generalize about work ethic and business integrity is not due to a lack of experience-- I have travelled a fair bit-- but because stereotyping based on anecdotal experience seems dangerous.
- gahahaha 18y agoAn immigrant, cool, which part of Somalia do you come from? I am very impressed that you adapted so well from being an illiterate sheep herder to a highly structured western society, and was even able to start your own company. Good job. Joking aside. Highly skilled workers like yourself immigrating isn't the problem. People aren't racists, but they are also not blinded by ideology like people on the left (be kind to others) and right (free movement of people) who, for different reasons welcome unlimited immigration.
- michael_dorfman 18y agoPeople aren't racists? You sure about that? I don't remember saying anything about "unlimited" immigration, by the way...
- gahahaha 18y agoPeople who are anti-immigration are not necessarily racists, just like people who criticize Israels actions aren't necessarily anti-Semites. I personally feel that that type of argumentation poisons the discussion.
- michael_dorfman 18y agoWow, where did that come from? I'm not saying that all people who are "anti-immigration" are racist-- but some of them certainly are. I've seen my share of racism, without question. In Norway, there is serious under-employment-- it is not possible to be "against immigration" per se; it's all a matter of degree. Over-simplifying the positions ("people are not racist";"unlimited immigration") doesn't do the discussion any favors, either.