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What standing could these students possibly have? They didn't get in to all the colleges they wanted to because the admissions process wasn't "fair"? It never

What standing could these students possibly have? They didn't get in to all the colleges they wanted to because the admissions process wasn't "fair"? It never was fair nor does any admissions office I've ever heard of claim to be.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> What standing could these students possibly have? The fact that they paid for something, via the application fee, that was advertised with features it doesn't have, and the fact that there are consumer protection laws that call that a deceptive trade practice and provide a remedy for it. (Also, the lawsuit is much broader than the universities and includes claims, including civil RICO pclaims, against the parties more directly involved in the core bribery scandal.)
- DoubleCribble 8y ago
  What features didn't the application process have? Every college I've ever seen advertises "diversity" in their admissions process. If we peek under that diversity umbrella, we can see: Legacy, Donors Kids, Athletes, Full-Tuition Payers, Hard-Luck-Feel-Good-Stories, Employees' Children, Political Backscratching & everyone else. Please show me one college that says "we _only_ use this list of criteria to determine admission". None do because they need the wiggle room for the aforementioned higher-value candidates. New buildings/NCAA titles/Sponsored Chairs don't cost nothin'!
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > What features didn't the application process have? See Count II of the suit, commencing on p.21, and the preceding factual allegations referenced within that Count. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/College-Suit.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Co...
    - DoubleCribble 8y ago
      You know that wiggle room I described? It's quoted right there in the linked document. 1) Yale - "The Admissions Committee then factors in student qualities such as motivation, curiosity, energy, leadership ability, and distinctive talents." [Ed. Note distinctive talents - includes being related to someone who paid for that new building on campus. Having your family name on a campus building is quite distinctive, or so I presume] 2) Stanfurd - "Remember, however, that our evaluation goes beyond any numerical formula. There is no minimum GPA or test score; nor is there any specific number of AP or honors courses you must have on your transcript in order to be admitted to Stanford." [Ed. Note: the evaluation goes beyond a numerical formula because it also includes who your parents are and how your enrollment will affect football season ticket sales] 3)G-town - "Georgetown maintains a holistic review process..." [Ed. Note: because holistic includes the whole Legacy thing] 4) UCLA - "These select applicants are the ones who would contribute the most to UCLA’s dynamic learning environment;" [Ed. Note: Is that a double entendre? You be the judge!] etc., etc. In summary, this lawsuit is DOA.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> What standing could these students possibly have? The fact that they paid for something, via the application fee, that was advertised with features it doesn't have, and the fact that there are consumer protection laws that call that a deceptive trade practice and provide a remedy for it. (Also, the lawsuit is much broader than the universities and includes claims, including civil RICO pclaims, against the parties more directly involved in the core bribery scandal.)

DoubleCribble 8y ago
What features didn't the application process have? Every college I've ever seen advertises "diversity" in their admissions process. If we peek under that diversity umbrella, we can see: Legacy, Donors Kids, Athletes, Full-Tuition Payers, Hard-Luck-Feel-Good-Stories, Employees' Children, Political Backscratching & everyone else. Please show me one college that says "we _only_ use this list of criteria to determine admission". None do because they need the wiggle room for the aforementioned higher-value candidates. New buildings/NCAA titles/Sponsored Chairs don't cost nothin'!
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > What features didn't the application process have? See Count II of the suit, commencing on p.21, and the preceding factual allegations referenced within that Count. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/College-Suit.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Co...
  - DoubleCribble 8y ago
    You know that wiggle room I described? It's quoted right there in the linked document. 1) Yale - "The Admissions Committee then factors in student qualities such as motivation, curiosity, energy, leadership ability, and distinctive talents." [Ed. Note distinctive talents - includes being related to someone who paid for that new building on campus. Having your family name on a campus building is quite distinctive, or so I presume] 2) Stanfurd - "Remember, however, that our evaluation goes beyond any numerical formula. There is no minimum GPA or test score; nor is there any specific number of AP or honors courses you must have on your transcript in order to be admitted to Stanford." [Ed. Note: the evaluation goes beyond a numerical formula because it also includes who your parents are and how your enrollment will affect football season ticket sales] 3)G-town - "Georgetown maintains a holistic review process..." [Ed. Note: because holistic includes the whole Legacy thing] 4) UCLA - "These select applicants are the ones who would contribute the most to UCLA’s dynamic learning environment;" [Ed. Note: Is that a double entendre? You be the judge!] etc., etc. In summary, this lawsuit is DOA.