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This hardly seems right – UCLA, USC and Yale are victims of the bad actors involved just as much as the students are. I haven't seen any indication that the col

This hardly seems right – UCLA, USC and Yale are victims of the bad actors involved just as much as the students are. I haven't seen any indication that the colleges involved were aware this was happening in a way they overlooked. You can file a lawsuit for anything in the United States. I would love to hear how this lawsuit isn't frivolous or (at worst) searching for a payday.

teej 8y ago
Given that some of the bad actors worked for the universities, specifically athletic staff taking bribes, I think it’s not crazy to sue them.
- mcguire 8y ago
  Athletics has been a hotbed of corruption for decades; it's surprising there isn't closer monitoring there. On the other hand, rowing....
zelon88 8y ago
Maybe the universities should have some system in place to catch this behavior. You can't be in the industry for that many years and be surprised by it's dark side. The colleges knew about it and looked the other way. There's no two ways about it. Do you really think they bought the photoshopped pictures and fabricated high school transcripts? Is there no due diligence required on their part to vet their self-declared athletes before admitting them? Everyone else jumps through hoops to provide all the data needed to submit an application. This has been going on for how long and admissions department never once found this scandal before now? Isn't that literally, in every sense, their job? What else does admissions do other than vet potential students? They are guilty and my guess would be a lawsuit discovers as much. If not they are still responsible for complacency and should be punished.
will_brown 8y ago
>I haven't seen any indication that the colleges involved were aware this was happening in a way they overlooked. No doubt the colleges involved are aware when someone is admitted whose credentials don’t measure up. That’s not something the colleges can bury there head in the sand about. We are talking about billion dollar institutions with entire admissions departments that pride themselves on a standard of student...you can’t just say in some instances rouge actors took bribes to allow students in school and no one knew anything about it.
- daseiner1 8y ago
  The whole scandal is around faked credentials – faked sports accomplishments, fake standardized test scores. The schools, from what I’ve seen, were kept totally out of the loop.
  - will_brown 8y ago
    That’s not at all what I read, for example: >Singer used the foundation to collect payments from parents and pay bribes, court records show.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> UCLA, USC and Yale are victims of the bad actors involved There is a mechanism of law for those who torts against a party are a result of torts by others to seek compensation for their liability, “contribution". [0] > I haven't seen any indication that any colleges involved were aware this was happening in a way they overlooked. Tort liability under the deceptive trade practices law used to sue the universities [1] doesn't require that they were are of going on, only that they advertised things that they did not provide, in this case a fair admissions process. > I would love to hear how this lawsuit isn't frivolous A frivolous lawsuit is, roughly, one where the facts don't support anything a reasonable person could view as eligible for compensation under the law cited. With regard to the deceptive trade practices law under which the universities are sued (other claims are made in the same lawsuit against the other actors in the scandal), advertising a good or service with features it does not actually have is the core of the offense (this is broader than civil fraud, which tends to require deliberate deception.) This seems to be in line with the other information about the scandal, and so unless the suing students have reason to know that the public information misrepresents the facts, the suit seems, on first impression, to be reasonable. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contribution_claim_(legal) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contribution_claim_(legal) [1] see https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/College-Suit.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Co... ; Count II (pp. 21 et seq.)

teej 8y ago

Given that some of the bad actors worked for the universities, specifically athletic staff taking bribes, I think it’s not crazy to sue them.

mcguire 8y ago
Athletics has been a hotbed of corruption for decades; it's surprising there isn't closer monitoring there. On the other hand, rowing....

zelon88 8y ago

Maybe the universities should have some system in place to catch this behavior. You can't be in the industry for that many years and be surprised by it's dark side. The colleges knew about it and looked the other way. There's no two ways about it. Do you really think they bought the photoshopped pictures and fabricated high school transcripts? Is there no due diligence required on their part to vet their self-declared athletes before admitting them? Everyone else jumps through hoops to provide all the data needed to submit an application. This has been going on for how long and admissions department never once found this scandal before now? Isn't that literally, in every sense, their job? What else does admissions do other than vet potential students? They are guilty and my guess would be a lawsuit discovers as much. If not they are still responsible for complacency and should be punished.

will_brown 8y ago

>I haven't seen any indication that the colleges involved were aware this was happening in a way they overlooked. No doubt the colleges involved are aware when someone is admitted whose credentials don’t measure up. That’s not something the colleges can bury there head in the sand about. We are talking about billion dollar institutions with entire admissions departments that pride themselves on a standard of student...you can’t just say in some instances rouge actors took bribes to allow students in school and no one knew anything about it.

daseiner1 8y ago
The whole scandal is around faked credentials – faked sports accomplishments, fake standardized test scores. The schools, from what I’ve seen, were kept totally out of the loop.
- will_brown 8y ago
  That’s not at all what I read, for example: >Singer used the foundation to collect payments from parents and pay bribes, court records show.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> UCLA, USC and Yale are victims of the bad actors involved There is a mechanism of law for those who torts against a party are a result of torts by others to seek compensation for their liability, “contribution". [0] > I haven't seen any indication that any colleges involved were aware this was happening in a way they overlooked. Tort liability under the deceptive trade practices law used to sue the universities [1] doesn't require that they were are of going on, only that they advertised things that they did not provide, in this case a fair admissions process. > I would love to hear how this lawsuit isn't frivolous A frivolous lawsuit is, roughly, one where the facts don't support anything a reasonable person could view as eligible for compensation under the law cited. With regard to the deceptive trade practices law under which the universities are sued (other claims are made in the same lawsuit against the other actors in the scandal), advertising a good or service with features it does not actually have is the core of the offense (this is broader than civil fraud, which tends to require deliberate deception.) This seems to be in line with the other information about the scandal, and so unless the suing students have reason to know that the public information misrepresents the facts, the suit seems, on first impression, to be reasonable. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contribution_claim_(legal) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contribution_claim_(legal) [1] see https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/College-Suit.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Co... ; Count II (pp. 21 et seq.)