Yeah, they did pick up the IP of one of the most disastrous kick-starters ever. It seems plausible, you know, that someone could make a machine like that, but

Yeah, they did pick up the IP of one of the most disastrous kick-starters ever. It seems plausible, you know, that someone could make a machine like that, but at the end of the day it's all about the espresso head and quality of the build. By the time they figured it out, I think, they were no better than well-established prosumer models in price and performance.