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Except Chrome uses WebKit, not KHTML.

nkassis 16y ago
I don't see how this is relevant. Obviously KHTML is now surpassed by Webkit because most of the development for KHTML was diverted into Webkit + a huge influx of new dev from Apple and now Google. It doesn't remove from the fact that Apple benefited from the work the KTHML guys did. They could have used Gecko, but they didn't, obviously there was something good about KTHML.
- allenbrunson 16y ago
  it is relevant because apple's involvement was what caused that particular project to become the de facto go-to web rendering engine.
  - juiceandjuice 16y ago
    Still, neither GNUStep/NS, KHTML/Webkit, or even the Mach/XNU kernel were native Apple tech. To portray them as that in a "Apple VS. The World" scenario is a bit misleading and presumptuous. Webkit and KHTML are still both mutually beneficial projects.
    - DougBTX 16y ago
      I think the leading example of "apple's tech versus the rest of the industry" is the use of usb - which only goes to show how weak the basis of the meme is.
    - brianpan 16y ago
      I don't see where an Apple vs the world argument is made. More like Apple did it's own thing before and no one else cared. Now they are influencing other companies more than before. Along with WebKit, I'd say that app stores and touch UI are other areas where Apple has been influencing tech in recent years.
- brianpan 16y ago
  Allenbrunson's point is that WebKit is an example of Apple's influence beyond Apple. You could argue that the choice of WebKit wasn't important to Chrome- that they would have been just as successful had they chose another rendering engine. But they did choose it. And that is either true irrespective of the fact that WebKit is based on KHTML.
juiceandjuice 16y ago
I'd argue v8 is a much more vital part of chrome than webkit is.
- tlrobinson 16y ago
  Why? The performance differences between V8 and JSC/SFX are marginal at this point.
  - junkbit 16y ago
    To be fair, V8 kicked of an arms race that has benefited the whole industry.
    - jonhohle 16y ago
      How so? Squirrelfish was released (at least in source form) in June 2008, V8 wasn't announced until September of that same year. Apple, Mozilla, and Opera were duking it out in public for months before V8 was on the scene.

I don't see how this is relevant. Obviously KHTML is now surpassed by Webkit because most of the development for KHTML was diverted into Webkit + a huge influx of new dev from Apple and now Google. It doesn't remove from the fact that Apple benefited from the work the KTHML guys did. They could have used Gecko, but they didn't, obviously there was something good about KTHML.

allenbrunson 16y ago
it is relevant because apple's involvement was what caused that particular project to become the de facto go-to web rendering engine.
- juiceandjuice 16y ago
  Still, neither GNUStep/NS, KHTML/Webkit, or even the Mach/XNU kernel were native Apple tech. To portray them as that in a "Apple VS. The World" scenario is a bit misleading and presumptuous. Webkit and KHTML are still both mutually beneficial projects.
  - DougBTX 16y ago
    I think the leading example of "apple's tech versus the rest of the industry" is the use of usb - which only goes to show how weak the basis of the meme is.
  - brianpan 16y ago
    I don't see where an Apple vs the world argument is made. More like Apple did it's own thing before and no one else cared. Now they are influencing other companies more than before. Along with WebKit, I'd say that app stores and touch UI are other areas where Apple has been influencing tech in recent years.
brianpan 16y ago
Allenbrunson's point is that WebKit is an example of Apple's influence beyond Apple. You could argue that the choice of WebKit wasn't important to Chrome- that they would have been just as successful had they chose another rendering engine. But they did choose it. And that is either true irrespective of the fact that WebKit is based on KHTML.

juiceandjuice 16y ago

I'd argue v8 is a much more vital part of chrome than webkit is.

tlrobinson 16y ago
Why? The performance differences between V8 and JSC/SFX are marginal at this point.
- junkbit 16y ago
  To be fair, V8 kicked of an arms race that has benefited the whole industry.
  - jonhohle 16y ago
    How so? Squirrelfish was released (at least in source form) in June 2008, V8 wasn't announced until September of that same year. Apple, Mozilla, and Opera were duking it out in public for months before V8 was on the scene.