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Claiming that Go should excels in readability or ergonomics is pure, Koolaid fever-dream delusion. Is it cleaner than C/C++? Sure. It's still a painfully ver

by jonahx 8y ago

Claiming that Go should excels in readability or ergonomics is pure, Koolaid fever-dream delusion. Is it cleaner than C/C++? Sure. It's still a painfully verbose language full of boilerplate and with zero concern for expressivity or the suppression of detail [0]. Which isn't to say it's overall a bad language. It prioritizes other things over readability -- like speed, enforcing consistency, keeping its primitive set small. [0]: https://golang.org/doc/faq#Does_Go_have_a_ternary_form https://golang.org/doc/faq#Does_Go_have_a_ternary_form (no further evidence is needed)

networkimprov 8y ago
The main rationale for the lack of ternary, "We don't do control flow with symbols" should also disallow this: t && a() || b() Admittedly tho, nested ternaries are tedious to parse by eye.
- simonask 8y ago
  They're nothing against nested applications of the above, though. :-) t && a() || (u && b() || c()) Personally, I enjoy Rust's choice of letting `if` be an expression.
  - paulddraper 8y ago
    > I enjoy Rust's choice As a Scala user, I agree it really is the best val a = if (t) a() else b()
- lazarljubenovic 8y ago
  We should also ban kitchen knives because users have repeatedly stabbed themselves in the eye.
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bnolsen 8y ago
Speed of compilation, not necessarily speed of compiled code. Missing generics: deadly. Passing around just interfaces? At times clearly not sufficient. Their idea of closures? Looks messy to me. Having a special syntax just for threading stuff? Totally beyond lame! Golang is absolutely not a replacement for c or c++. It's a better replacement for the other languages out there requiring a VM to run anything. In short golang is better at cross platform than these other platforms and is IMHO good for writing good tooling. One of my colleagues said that golang now is sort of like java was in the old, old days. Making the same mistakes and needing necessary features added to become truly productive. In my opinion ternary stuff is short handed eye candy and not a great reason to discount a language. c++'s collections and <algorithm> fundamentally and utterly thrash anything golang claims to have, not to mention the whole stupidity around building garbage collection into a language that wants to be low level.
- jonahx 8y ago
  > In my opinion ternary stuff is short handed eye candy Granted > not a great reason to discount a language The ternary quote exemplifies an attitude at the heart of the language designer's priorities. That is, the lack of ternary is, in fact, much more than a lack of ternary.
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- fwip 8y ago
  > special syntax for threading You mean the word go?
- jknoepfler 8y ago
  coroutines aren't threads, fwiw

by jonahx 8y ago

networkimprov 8y ago

The main rationale for the lack of ternary, "We don't do control flow with symbols" should also disallow this: t && a() || b() Admittedly tho, nested ternaries are tedious to parse by eye.

simonask 8y ago
They're nothing against nested applications of the above, though. :-) t && a() || (u && b() || c()) Personally, I enjoy Rust's choice of letting `if` be an expression.
- paulddraper 8y ago
  > I enjoy Rust's choice As a Scala user, I agree it really is the best val a = if (t) a() else b()
lazarljubenovic 8y ago
We should also ban kitchen knives because users have repeatedly stabbed themselves in the eye.

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bnolsen 8y ago

Speed of compilation, not necessarily speed of compiled code. Missing generics: deadly. Passing around just interfaces? At times clearly not sufficient. Their idea of closures? Looks messy to me. Having a special syntax just for threading stuff? Totally beyond lame! Golang is absolutely not a replacement for c or c++. It's a better replacement for the other languages out there requiring a VM to run anything. In short golang is better at cross platform than these other platforms and is IMHO good for writing good tooling. One of my colleagues said that golang now is sort of like java was in the old, old days. Making the same mistakes and needing necessary features added to become truly productive. In my opinion ternary stuff is short handed eye candy and not a great reason to discount a language. c++'s collections and <algorithm> fundamentally and utterly thrash anything golang claims to have, not to mention the whole stupidity around building garbage collection into a language that wants to be low level.

jonahx 8y ago
> In my opinion ternary stuff is short handed eye candy Granted > not a great reason to discount a language The ternary quote exemplifies an attitude at the heart of the language designer's priorities. That is, the lack of ternary is, in fact, much more than a lack of ternary.
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fwip 8y ago
> special syntax for threading You mean the word go?
jknoepfler 8y ago
coroutines aren't threads, fwiw