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The FAA burned all the trust and goodwill it gathered in the last 20-30 years -- depending who you ask -- within an extremely short time frame: on March 12 betw

by chx 8y ago

The FAA burned all the trust and goodwill it gathered in the last 20-30 years -- depending who you ask -- within an extremely short time frame: on March 12 between 7am and 10am Pacific or so. It was pretty impressive. It was crystal clear the EASA is offering a face saving opportuntity to them by using the member states to do airspace bans but not suspending the planes of their respective airlines. Then, a few hours after that, when the FAA decided to continue the wave the "I am with stupid" flag they did the unthinkable and declared the 737 MAX not airworthy contradicting the FAA. This has never happened before. At this point the trust in FAA is gone and it is seen as a political and corporate puppet.

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pbourke 8y ago
It was reported a day or two ago that Trump had a phone call with the CEO of Boeing, with the result being continued operation. Then, Trump makes the announcement today about the grounding, seemingly to try to take some credit for it. It’s insane. There must be some despondent folks at the FAA right now. Years of trust squandered.
- chx 8y ago
  > There must be some despondent folks at the FAA right now. Years of trust squandered. Can you imagine the real workers, now some idiot Trump named to be deputy director and currently is the acting FAA director wiped out so much of their work... oh dear. Even if they had been 100% sure the plane is sound, just to keep the larger status quo they should've acted in accordance with the EASA.
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Is it possible the US have grounded them because Canada banned them in their airspace?
  - chx 8y ago
    If the FAA didn't cave in immediately from the EASA issuing "do not operate the airplane" then it certainly wouldn't from Transport Canada. These two do not quite carry the same weight, you know? 150M passengers enplaned and deplaned in Canada in 2017 as per https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=2310025301 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=231002... and https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Air_transport_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... says this number was 1043 million in the EU. According to https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/2017-traffic-data-us-airlines-and-foreign-airlines-us-flights https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/2017-traffic-data-us-airlines-a... even the USA is below that nunber with 965M.
    - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
      Thank you for a detailed answer.

by chx 8y ago

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pbourke 8y ago

It was reported a day or two ago that Trump had a phone call with the CEO of Boeing, with the result being continued operation. Then, Trump makes the announcement today about the grounding, seemingly to try to take some credit for it. It’s insane. There must be some despondent folks at the FAA right now. Years of trust squandered.

chx 8y ago
> There must be some despondent folks at the FAA right now. Years of trust squandered. Can you imagine the real workers, now some idiot Trump named to be deputy director and currently is the acting FAA director wiped out so much of their work... oh dear. Even if they had been 100% sure the plane is sound, just to keep the larger status quo they should've acted in accordance with the EASA.
rad_gruchalski 8y ago
Is it possible the US have grounded them because Canada banned them in their airspace?
- chx 8y ago
  If the FAA didn't cave in immediately from the EASA issuing "do not operate the airplane" then it certainly wouldn't from Transport Canada. These two do not quite carry the same weight, you know? 150M passengers enplaned and deplaned in Canada in 2017 as per https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=2310025301 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=231002... and https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Air_transport_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... says this number was 1043 million in the EU. According to https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/2017-traffic-data-us-airlines-and-foreign-airlines-us-flights https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/2017-traffic-data-us-airlines-a... even the USA is below that nunber with 965M.
  - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
    Thank you for a detailed answer.