I think it depends a lot on the relationship between the people who work on some party of the distribution. The canonical people are paid and have their todo li

I think it depends a lot on the relationship between the people who work on some party of the distribution. The canonical people are paid and have their todo list, and they are paid to do that. So if they have a good contact to Debian, they try to get things done via Debian. Some even don't care at all. Some are even Debian developer and do all teir work in Ubuntu and just upload something to Debian at some point. Or they try to force their init system into Debian.... So there are a lot of positive things, but when I think about the biggest issues we had in Debian (or actually have), I consider Ubuntu as evil.