4 ms·

This sounds like a very bottom up approach to painting. It requires tons of trial and error and time. The result is that only the most persistent learn how to p

This sounds like a very bottom up approach to painting. It requires tons of trial and error and time. The result is that only the most persistent learn how to paint well. If I were to try learning competitive programming, I'd much rather work through known algorithms and practice my problem solving, instead of trying to reinvent everything from sorting to iterative deepening search to number theoretic algorithms. I'd much rather learn tools and solve problems (in painting) than just trial and error through it, hoping that I have the aptitude to really methodically sift through my mistakes and find the right approach to painting.

kingkawn 8y ago
Tools too early in the process can seize control of the imagination. I agree completely; there is room for technique. But I prefer to let the student find where that room is by discovering something about themselves first, rather than vague promises of freedom that comes after satisfying arbitrary minimums. My preference as a teacher. A good student knows to overthrow my worldview when the time is right.
- pasabagi 8y ago
  The downside is, there are techniques and tools that make sense together. If you just start, maybe you find something interesting. Maybe you just spend days feeling frustrated because nobody told you it's a good idea to prime a canvas, or that metal solders better when its clean. My preference is to study techniques like I'd study anything else - learn the principles, etc, and stay pretty agnostic about what it actually means to make art. I mean, is art really about self-discovery? It's somewhat rare for a good artist to be particularly self-aware. Is art really about freedom? Art has consistently bloomed under absolutely absurd strictures - only being allowed to paint specific things, write on knife-edge-narrow themes, and so on. Seems to me that it's ideas like these that really seize control of the imagination. I've definitely known artists that have been permanently inhibited by internalizing one or another idea about what it is to make art. Tools, on the other hand, extend and alter the human senses. A screwdriver is a feeler you stick into the radio, oils are an invitation to a whole light-oriented conception of painting, a chisel tells you stuff about wood you'd never know just by running your hands over it. I don't really believe there's a raw sense-experience. I think everything we do is mediated socially, conceptually, technically. In this sense, to actively engage with the world, it makes sense to be greedy about grabbing every technical or concept that increases the engagement surface, or makes it more varied.
- superpermutat0r 8y ago
  Well, it's definitely better if one has a teacher. Trial and error can be controlled and some direction can be given. If I'm learning on my own I don't think I'd be able to find th e right direction most of the time.
  - kingkawn 8y ago
    Stop trying to find the right one, that’s basically the crux of my approach. Let it evolve outside of all that.
sinuhe69 8y ago
Yes, art is a lot about trial & error to find one’s way. Because the goal is not to achieve something but finding one’s own expressions. That why artists do a lot of copies to master basic techniques but they don’t stop there yet must go further. Otherwise, it’s just craft. Of course, the situation is completely different if one merely wants to paint well or be able to produce some nice copies.

kingkawn 8y ago

Tools too early in the process can seize control of the imagination. I agree completely; there is room for technique. But I prefer to let the student find where that room is by discovering something about themselves first, rather than vague promises of freedom that comes after satisfying arbitrary minimums. My preference as a teacher. A good student knows to overthrow my worldview when the time is right.

pasabagi 8y ago
The downside is, there are techniques and tools that make sense together. If you just start, maybe you find something interesting. Maybe you just spend days feeling frustrated because nobody told you it's a good idea to prime a canvas, or that metal solders better when its clean. My preference is to study techniques like I'd study anything else - learn the principles, etc, and stay pretty agnostic about what it actually means to make art. I mean, is art really about self-discovery? It's somewhat rare for a good artist to be particularly self-aware. Is art really about freedom? Art has consistently bloomed under absolutely absurd strictures - only being allowed to paint specific things, write on knife-edge-narrow themes, and so on. Seems to me that it's ideas like these that really seize control of the imagination. I've definitely known artists that have been permanently inhibited by internalizing one or another idea about what it is to make art. Tools, on the other hand, extend and alter the human senses. A screwdriver is a feeler you stick into the radio, oils are an invitation to a whole light-oriented conception of painting, a chisel tells you stuff about wood you'd never know just by running your hands over it. I don't really believe there's a raw sense-experience. I think everything we do is mediated socially, conceptually, technically. In this sense, to actively engage with the world, it makes sense to be greedy about grabbing every technical or concept that increases the engagement surface, or makes it more varied.
superpermutat0r 8y ago
Well, it's definitely better if one has a teacher. Trial and error can be controlled and some direction can be given. If I'm learning on my own I don't think I'd be able to find th e right direction most of the time.
- kingkawn 8y ago
  Stop trying to find the right one, that’s basically the crux of my approach. Let it evolve outside of all that.

sinuhe69 8y ago

Yes, art is a lot about trial & error to find one’s way. Because the goal is not to achieve something but finding one’s own expressions. That why artists do a lot of copies to master basic techniques but they don’t stop there yet must go further. Otherwise, it’s just craft. Of course, the situation is completely different if one merely wants to paint well or be able to produce some nice copies.