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https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1105909327255080960 https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1105909327255080960 This is more revealing than they’d like,

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1105909327255080960 https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1105909327255080960 This is more revealing than they’d like, I think.

elliekelly 8y ago
> In a statement, Boeing said it recommended to the Federal Aviation Administration that the 737 Max be grounded "out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft's safety." A company is recommending to their regulator that the regulator take action against them. That is a pretty solid indicator that the lawyers have a rough idea of potential liability and are now trying to mitigate damages.
- stochastic_monk 8y ago
  A day after personally calling the president to ask him to prevent the regulator from taking action. This is just a bad attempt at saving face.
  - jtuente 8y ago
    Since the grounding has affected search queries, could you help me with a citation?
    - ceejayoz 8y ago
      https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/business/boeing-737-grounding-faa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/business/boeing-737-groun... > Early Tuesday, Dennis A. Muilenburg, the chief executive of Boeing, spoke to President Trump on the phone and made the case that the 737 Max planes should not be grounded in the United States, according to two people briefed on the conversation.
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  You make me almost want to feel bad for a corporation. Nothing Boeing can do or say will make some people happy.
  - elliekelly 8y ago
    I was merely commenting on the rationale and strategy behind their decision as someone who has been in a similar position. Though in my case only bank accounts, not lives, were at risk. And for the record, I made the same call. It's not easy but I'm certainly not judging Boeing for weighing their options and moving forward with a strategy that gives the company the best chance at recovering from this mess.
- pgwhalen 8y ago
  Why “against?” Surely Boeing is on the same team as everyone in wanting prevent any further loss of life. If they believe there is a safety issue I’m sure they would encourage the FAA to take action so airlines were obliged to.
  - elliekelly 8y ago
    When Boeing sells or leases the planes to the airlines there is almost certainly a clause in the agreement that represents & the warrants the plane is suitable for it's intended use: flying. An FAA declaration grounding the planes quite clearly means the planes aren't suitable to fly and Boeing will be on the hook to compensate the airlines for the costs associated with the groundings. We're talking millions of dollars a day. They also have thousands of outstanding orders for this model plane that are, at best significantly delayed and perhaps in jeopardy.
foobarbazetc 8y ago
On Mar 13th 2019 the FAA announced shortly after the President had signed the executive order, that they were probibiting Boeing 737 MAX aircraft to operate in US airspace and stated: "On March 13, 2019, the investigation of the ET302 crash developed new information from the wreckage concerning the aircraft’s configuration just after takeoff that, taken together with newly refined data from satellite-based tracking of the aircraft’s flight path, indicates some similarities between the ET302 and JT610 accidents that warrant further investigation of the possibility of a shared cause for the two incidents that needs to be better understood and addressed. Accordingly, the Acting Administrator is ordering all Boeing 737 MAX airplanes to be grounded pending further investigation.” https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf [ sound of stampeding lawyers intensifies ]
mzs 8y ago
'out of an abundance of caution' is textbook damage-control PR, when you learn that POTUS will no longer have your back, you pull this, and fast.
holler 8y ago
I have to admit that after reading the tweet and thinking about the gravity of what happened, of the horrible end the innocent passengers went through, I choked up... It's just unimaginable. I hope they find out the cause & make sure it never happens again.

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1105909327255080960 https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1105909327255080960 This is more revealing than they’d like, I think.

elliekelly 8y ago

> In a statement, Boeing said it recommended to the Federal Aviation Administration that the 737 Max be grounded "out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft's safety." A company is recommending to their regulator that the regulator take action against them. That is a pretty solid indicator that the lawyers have a rough idea of potential liability and are now trying to mitigate damages.

stochastic_monk 8y ago
A day after personally calling the president to ask him to prevent the regulator from taking action. This is just a bad attempt at saving face.
- jtuente 8y ago
  Since the grounding has affected search queries, could you help me with a citation?
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/business/boeing-737-grounding-faa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/business/boeing-737-groun... > Early Tuesday, Dennis A. Muilenburg, the chief executive of Boeing, spoke to President Trump on the phone and made the case that the 737 Max planes should not be grounded in the United States, according to two people briefed on the conversation.
rootusrootus 8y ago
You make me almost want to feel bad for a corporation. Nothing Boeing can do or say will make some people happy.
- elliekelly 8y ago
  I was merely commenting on the rationale and strategy behind their decision as someone who has been in a similar position. Though in my case only bank accounts, not lives, were at risk. And for the record, I made the same call. It's not easy but I'm certainly not judging Boeing for weighing their options and moving forward with a strategy that gives the company the best chance at recovering from this mess.
pgwhalen 8y ago
Why “against?” Surely Boeing is on the same team as everyone in wanting prevent any further loss of life. If they believe there is a safety issue I’m sure they would encourage the FAA to take action so airlines were obliged to.
- elliekelly 8y ago
  When Boeing sells or leases the planes to the airlines there is almost certainly a clause in the agreement that represents & the warrants the plane is suitable for it's intended use: flying. An FAA declaration grounding the planes quite clearly means the planes aren't suitable to fly and Boeing will be on the hook to compensate the airlines for the costs associated with the groundings. We're talking millions of dollars a day. They also have thousands of outstanding orders for this model plane that are, at best significantly delayed and perhaps in jeopardy.

foobarbazetc 8y ago

On Mar 13th 2019 the FAA announced shortly after the President had signed the executive order, that they were probibiting Boeing 737 MAX aircraft to operate in US airspace and stated: "On March 13, 2019, the investigation of the ET302 crash developed new information from the wreckage concerning the aircraft’s configuration just after takeoff that, taken together with newly refined data from satellite-based tracking of the aircraft’s flight path, indicates some similarities between the ET302 and JT610 accidents that warrant further investigation of the possibility of a shared cause for the two incidents that needs to be better understood and addressed. Accordingly, the Acting Administrator is ordering all Boeing 737 MAX airplanes to be grounded pending further investigation.” https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf [ sound of stampeding lawyers intensifies ]

mzs 8y ago

'out of an abundance of caution' is textbook damage-control PR, when you learn that POTUS will no longer have your back, you pull this, and fast.

holler 8y ago

I have to admit that after reading the tweet and thinking about the gravity of what happened, of the horrible end the innocent passengers went through, I choked up... It's just unimaginable. I hope they find out the cause & make sure it never happens again.