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Since this was Trump who issued the grounding order, can we finally dismiss all the previous HN comments of people saying the FAA and Trump are in cahoots to ke

Since this was Trump who issued the grounding order, can we finally dismiss all the previous HN comments of people saying the FAA and Trump are in cahoots to keep 737 Max 8's flying in the US to prop up Boeing. -- Edit -- Apparently not. Now all the comments are blaming the FAA and saying it is fishy it took an executive order.

ceejayoz 8y ago
No. I don't believe that theory, but there are plenty of "in cahoots" situations that become untenable over time as more info comes out.
cjbprime 8y ago
Why wouldn't it be plausible that Trump and the FAA were inclined to do whatever Boeing wanted, but eventually every other country grounding the planes made that position untenable so Trump was forced to change his mind?
- josefresco 8y ago
  To me, this is the most likely scenario. Boeing assures Trump the planes are safe and they'll take care of it, time passes and the US stands alone, people freak, Trump realizes this and then steps in front of the cameras to look like the "protector". What's silly to me is how Boeing doesn't realize that another crash IN THE US would be disastrous, much, much worse than the position they find themselves in now.
  - cjbprime 8y ago
    It's possible that US maintenance procedures and pilot training make it very unlikely that a crash would happen here, even though depending on perfect maintenance and defensive piloting shouldn't be necessary for an airworthy plane.
foobarbazetc 8y ago
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/surprise-trump-kept-737-max-jets-flying-after-personal-call-from-boeing-ceo https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/surprise-trump-kept-...
everdev 8y ago
I think it's the lack of information that's scaring people. We don't know why the Ethiopian flight went down, it's just really suspicious that 2 brand new airplanes crashed catastrophically so soon after delivery. I think it's a good move until we know the full picture though. Better to err on the side of caution when lives could be at stake.
- ams6110 8y ago
  Everyone seems to be zeroed in on MCAS. Completely unknown at this time whether that system was related to the Ethopian crash. What the two crashes do have in common other than the aircraft model is a third world carrier, dubious pilot qualifications, and heavy reliance on automation. But it's somehow not OK to talk about that.
  - CydeWeys 8y ago
    If these planes are being crashed multiple times per year, even if by less experienced operators, then Boeing is still at fault for designing an unsafe airplane. Other planes do not have these issues.
  - jacquesm 8y ago
    And a lack of modification specific training, which some pilots have already been pretty vocal about.
  - vkou 8y ago
    These third world carriers seem to be managing to fly older models of the 737 just fine.
  - salawat 8y ago
    Ethiopian Captain had over 8000 hours, and the airline is a Category(right word?) 1 Airline, able to fly into and out of the U.S. directly. They actually have a stellar safety record. Just because it's Africa doesn't mean the operators were lacking.

ceejayoz 8y ago

No. I don't believe that theory, but there are plenty of "in cahoots" situations that become untenable over time as more info comes out.

cjbprime 8y ago

Why wouldn't it be plausible that Trump and the FAA were inclined to do whatever Boeing wanted, but eventually every other country grounding the planes made that position untenable so Trump was forced to change his mind?

josefresco 8y ago
To me, this is the most likely scenario. Boeing assures Trump the planes are safe and they'll take care of it, time passes and the US stands alone, people freak, Trump realizes this and then steps in front of the cameras to look like the "protector". What's silly to me is how Boeing doesn't realize that another crash IN THE US would be disastrous, much, much worse than the position they find themselves in now.
- cjbprime 8y ago
  It's possible that US maintenance procedures and pilot training make it very unlikely that a crash would happen here, even though depending on perfect maintenance and defensive piloting shouldn't be necessary for an airworthy plane.

foobarbazetc 8y ago

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/surprise-trump-kept-737-max-jets-flying-after-personal-call-from-boeing-ceo https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/surprise-trump-kept-...

everdev 8y ago

I think it's the lack of information that's scaring people. We don't know why the Ethiopian flight went down, it's just really suspicious that 2 brand new airplanes crashed catastrophically so soon after delivery. I think it's a good move until we know the full picture though. Better to err on the side of caution when lives could be at stake.

ams6110 8y ago
Everyone seems to be zeroed in on MCAS. Completely unknown at this time whether that system was related to the Ethopian crash. What the two crashes do have in common other than the aircraft model is a third world carrier, dubious pilot qualifications, and heavy reliance on automation. But it's somehow not OK to talk about that.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  If these planes are being crashed multiple times per year, even if by less experienced operators, then Boeing is still at fault for designing an unsafe airplane. Other planes do not have these issues.
- jacquesm 8y ago
  And a lack of modification specific training, which some pilots have already been pretty vocal about.
- vkou 8y ago
  These third world carriers seem to be managing to fly older models of the 737 just fine.
- salawat 8y ago
  Ethiopian Captain had over 8000 hours, and the airline is a Category(right word?) 1 Airline, able to fly into and out of the U.S. directly. They actually have a stellar safety record. Just because it's Africa doesn't mean the operators were lacking.