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2013’s FAA was under an ethical Obama administration. Anything touched by Trump is assumed to be corrupt. Witness the black box being sent to Europe and not the

2013’s FAA was under an ethical Obama administration. Anything touched by Trump is assumed to be corrupt. Witness the black box being sent to Europe and not the USA. The soft power of ethics in action.

mcast 8y ago
>FAA was under an ethical Obama administration Let's not be naive that any major political party can be ethical, Obama simply had a nicer public image but there were still scandals* during his administration. * = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_...
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  A controversy is not the same thing as a scandal. For example, this is on that list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One_photo_op_inciden...
  - mcast 8y ago
    I would wager mass surveillance programs, Fast/Furious, and spying on White House journalists to be scandalous. Not sure why many people can't fathom seeing both parties as unethical.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      I can fathom seeing both parties as falling below some threshold of being "acceptably ethical". I cannot fathom seeing every administration as being equally and indistinguishably unethical, however.
      - mcast 8y ago
        I completely agree, I was not trying to equate both administrations. I'm just tired of hearing people claim Obama had a perfect administration.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > I'm just tired of hearing people claim Obama had a perfect administration. I think you are looking too hard for things to be upset about if you mistake someone referring to Obama's administration as ethical in contrast to Trump's as claiming Obama's was perfect.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Let's not be naive that any major political party can be ethical No, real differences in ethical conduct (both in overall level, insofar as that is meaningful, and more importantly in particular details) do exist between administrations, even within the same party. > there were still scandals during his administration. A scandal can exist without an actual ethical lapse, and in any case, not all scandals, even among those involving actual ethical lapses (much less, all sets of such scandals) are equal.

mcast 8y ago

>FAA was under an ethical Obama administration Let's not be naive that any major political party can be ethical, Obama simply had a nicer public image but there were still scandals* during his administration. * = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_...

ceejayoz 8y ago
A controversy is not the same thing as a scandal. For example, this is on that list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One_photo_op_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One_photo_op_inciden...
- mcast 8y ago
  I would wager mass surveillance programs, Fast/Furious, and spying on White House journalists to be scandalous. Not sure why many people can't fathom seeing both parties as unethical.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    I can fathom seeing both parties as falling below some threshold of being "acceptably ethical". I cannot fathom seeing every administration as being equally and indistinguishably unethical, however.
    - mcast 8y ago
      I completely agree, I was not trying to equate both administrations. I'm just tired of hearing people claim Obama had a perfect administration.
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        > I'm just tired of hearing people claim Obama had a perfect administration. I think you are looking too hard for things to be upset about if you mistake someone referring to Obama's administration as ethical in contrast to Trump's as claiming Obama's was perfect.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Let's not be naive that any major political party can be ethical No, real differences in ethical conduct (both in overall level, insofar as that is meaningful, and more importantly in particular details) do exist between administrations, even within the same party. > there were still scandals during his administration. A scandal can exist without an actual ethical lapse, and in any case, not all scandals, even among those involving actual ethical lapses (much less, all sets of such scandals) are equal.