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Maybe from the fact that the last fatality in a US airline crash was over ten years ago?
by mikeash 8y ago
Maybe from the fact that the last fatality in a US airline crash was over ten years ago?
- NathanKP 8y agoUnfortunately I think Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 in 2018 counts as resetting that streak. It wasn't a crash but it did result in a death. I think your point still stands though. Very few of the incidents on this list are US airlines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...
- SECProto 8y agoAs far as I could find, there were no Canadian airline crashes in the same time frame. Unless you include small charter-airline type crashes, which would mean some american crashes would be counted too (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rediske_Air_DHC-3_Otter_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rediske_Air_DHC-3_Otter_c... )
- mikeash 8y agoWith less than 1/10th the number of passengers, that’s significantly less meaningful. It does indicate they’re about on an equal footing, though.
- fbelzile 8y agoThat means nothing. All airlines based out of France and Germany are ISOA certified, never had a fatality, and are rated 7/7 by AirlineRatings [0] (industry leader on airline safety ratings), for example. [0] https://www.airlineratings.com/safety-rating-tool/ https://www.airlineratings.com/safety-rating-tool/
- mikeash 8y agoI assume you mean they haven’t had a fatality in the last ten years, not that they’ve never had a fatality?
- rootusrootus 8y agoAF447 was less than ten years ago. So OP is mistaken either way.
- Tomte 8y agoSure, because extended suicide by pilot was excluded, but as a passenger I don't care much whether I die because there was a mistake somewhere or because the pilot was criminally insane. It's downright comical to list Germanwings as "Fatality Free".
- rootusrootus 8y agoThat web site is nice but it does not correctly rate US-only carriers. Also, Air France 447 was less than ten years ago. So your data may be suspect.
- Twirrim 8y agoThat's hardly a unique thing about US airline safety. You're building one heck of a fragile claim there to superiority, a number of other countries can make similar claims, including countries that have similar or better safety records. Just out of a quick wiki trawl over the last ten years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_1354 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_1354 UPS airline plane crashed in 2013, killing all onboard. In the same year, a commercial flight by Rediske Air crashed in Alaska, all 10 people on-board died. While not technically a crash, there was a fatality involving US airline just last year, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380, making the US airline safety record worse than a good number of countries.
- mikeash 8y agoAre you really going to use a UPS crash as an argument here? You actually raise some good points but I can’t get past that one.
- isostatic 8y ago"UPS Airlines Flight 1354 was a scheduled cargo flight from Louisville, Kentucky, to Birmingham, Alabama" U.S. Airline U.S. origin U.S. destination European aircraft (A320) Seems that the cause was problems with American trained pilots, so it's a strong refutation to the assertion "Maybe from the fact that the last fatality in a US airline crash was over ten years ago? "
- mikeash 8y agoDespite the name, UPS Airlines is a cargo company, not an airline. If you want to quibble over semantics, just pretend I specified “passenger airline” since that’s what I was talking about and that’s the relevant category.
- Twirrim 8y agoCargo companies come under the same regulations. You can't ignore them just because it's detrimental to your narrative.