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Also maybe worth mentioning that Sublime costs $80 as opposed to VSCode, Emacs and Vim being free... of course any working developer/shop should be able to affo

Also maybe worth mentioning that Sublime costs $80 as opposed to VSCode, Emacs and Vim being free... of course any working developer/shop should be able to afford that if the editor experience truly is (forgive the pun) sublime. I tried Sublime Text a couple years ago.. and gave up with trying to get all the plugins I needed up and running, on the other hand, I really hate using Visual Studio or VSCode, I constantly run into annoying bugs, crashes, and incompatibility issues with plugins. I have to restart Visual Studio 2017 at least thrice daily to get around minor things like "build project" no longer running fully. Perhaps its just Nostalgia speaking, but I almost miss the days of Visual C++ 6 (using Visual Assist)... it may have lacked features, but at least it never crashed.

Bwonsamdi 8y ago
I am a lurker and don't have a account or comment on Hacker News. Sublime is created by a small software shop and they need money to run the shop while Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar company. Microsoft can afford to give away free software for some goodwill from developers. Its kinda a unfair comparison.
- blackfawn 8y ago
  I can appreciate their need to charge but the $80 for personal use is rather prohibitive. It is a bit odd they differentiate a personal and business license yet charge the same for both. I'd buy a copy for personal use if it was more reasonable since I do like how it works but I just stick to xed for simple editing and IDEs like vscode for more in-depth work instead.
  - Veen 8y ago
    $80 is a lot for personal use, but how many personal users actually pay it? It's not difficult to ignore the occasional nag message, so people who can't or don't want to pay aren't forced to.
    - helij 8y ago
      That just looks a lot for personal use. I know people who click on a message and spend that kind of money each month for coffee during lunch break. For me personally, that price is nothing. I would pay twice as much and each employer had to buy it if they wanted me happy in text editor regard.
  - ethelward 8y ago
    Is $80 that much for something that you use oh so often? It's roughly one week of food where I live; so not free, but something I would afford if it brought a net improvement to my work.
    - Vanderson 8y ago
      I think $80 is very reasonable for a great tool like Sublime (for work) if it suits your needs.
    - blackfawn 8y ago
      To be honest... yes, it is rather much. You are in the price range of full fledged IDEs, whole operating systems, and office suites just for a text editor, even though it is quite a good one. As the sibling comment mentioned, I'm sure many personal users just use the unregistered version to the point that they'd probably make quite a bit of extra revenue if they offered a more attractive price point for those users. On a separate note, a friend described their backwards approach of validating licenses on every launch of their app, which creates a de facto 'telemetry' system since license hash is submitted to their servers and they obviously have access to other info such as IP. So even though I quite like the software, I've discontinued use due to the high cost and also due to the inability to opt out of external communications that'd allow them to keep tabs on you and your usage. To be fair, I was not keen on Microsoft's telemetry in vscode but that can be disabled and even better, vscodium removes it completely.
      - guessmyname 8y ago
        > I've discontinued use due to the high cost […] I’ve given away 30+ SublimeText licenses in the last 5 years, mostly to students. If you cannot afford paying $80 for a license, ping me via email and I’ll buy one for you. My email is 0x636978746f7264732f61742f676d61696c I’m looking forward to talk with you.
        nicoburns 8y ago
        Hex encoding your email address is genius. Don't think many spammers will be picking that one up!
- jpeeler 8y ago
  It is unfair. However, unless you have a principle of ignoring freely (free as in beer and code in this case) released software from bigger companies it's a comparison that will be made. PS - I understand what you're saying, but I thought it was funny you claimed you don't have an account on a website that requires registration for commenting. Welcome to HN!
  - Philipp__ 8y ago
    I hope that you are aware that VSCode is not free software.
    - jpeeler 8y ago
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're confusing the release binaries with the source? https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#why https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#why
- bishala 8y ago
  99% of the end users only care about the product, not how the developers are making ends meet.
rajangdavis 8y ago
If you think $80 dollars is too much for a tool that you can expect to use for 5+ years without issues (I'm at 5 years with Sublime currently), I don't know what to tell you. If you work a trade, you should expect to invest in high quality tools (a laptop, maybe a second monitor, etc.). Granted, if I knew how to as productive as I am with Sublime Text with Vim or Emacs, I would switch over in a heart beat.
- frosted-flakes 8y ago
  He didn't say it was too much, only that it was more than other comparable editors. If all else is equal, why wouldn't you take the cheaper option?
  - rajangdavis 8y ago
    Vim and Emacs may work for GP's workflow, but I can't say the same for me (at this time). In that context, I would say that cheaper doesn't always mean better (I prefer to be productive than bill for learning new tools unless that is part of the project). I tried working with Vim exclusively when I started my job ~2 years ago, and my terminal would hang quite often that I had to abandon it (I use ConEmu which is free, but hangs quite often). I also work on a Windows machine and do not want to use the windows command line, I prefer git-bash/mingw32.
    - nickjj 8y ago
      I'm currently using Windows with WSL + wsltty + tmux + terminal vim with no issues. Things are really fast and stable. I often have 10 Vim instances open across half a dozen tmux sessions. Each one takes up about 8mb of RAM with ~40 plugins doing everything I could ever ask for in a code editor. The only time they get closed is when Windows decides to reboot but then I can automatically restore the tmux sessions with 1 hot key. I switched to Vim last month after I found VSCode to be unusable for editing a 1mb a markdown file (it used over 50% of my i5 3.2ghz quadcore just idling with the file open). I wrote about the experience at https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/vim-is-saving-me-hours-of-work-when-writing-books-and-courses https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/vim-is-saving-me-hours-of-wor.... Haven't looked back since.

Bwonsamdi 8y ago

I am a lurker and don't have a account or comment on Hacker News. Sublime is created by a small software shop and they need money to run the shop while Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar company. Microsoft can afford to give away free software for some goodwill from developers. Its kinda a unfair comparison.

blackfawn 8y ago
I can appreciate their need to charge but the $80 for personal use is rather prohibitive. It is a bit odd they differentiate a personal and business license yet charge the same for both. I'd buy a copy for personal use if it was more reasonable since I do like how it works but I just stick to xed for simple editing and IDEs like vscode for more in-depth work instead.
- Veen 8y ago
  $80 is a lot for personal use, but how many personal users actually pay it? It's not difficult to ignore the occasional nag message, so people who can't or don't want to pay aren't forced to.
  - helij 8y ago
    That just looks a lot for personal use. I know people who click on a message and spend that kind of money each month for coffee during lunch break. For me personally, that price is nothing. I would pay twice as much and each employer had to buy it if they wanted me happy in text editor regard.
- ethelward 8y ago
  Is $80 that much for something that you use oh so often? It's roughly one week of food where I live; so not free, but something I would afford if it brought a net improvement to my work.
  - Vanderson 8y ago
    I think $80 is very reasonable for a great tool like Sublime (for work) if it suits your needs.
  - blackfawn 8y ago
    To be honest... yes, it is rather much. You are in the price range of full fledged IDEs, whole operating systems, and office suites just for a text editor, even though it is quite a good one. As the sibling comment mentioned, I'm sure many personal users just use the unregistered version to the point that they'd probably make quite a bit of extra revenue if they offered a more attractive price point for those users. On a separate note, a friend described their backwards approach of validating licenses on every launch of their app, which creates a de facto 'telemetry' system since license hash is submitted to their servers and they obviously have access to other info such as IP. So even though I quite like the software, I've discontinued use due to the high cost and also due to the inability to opt out of external communications that'd allow them to keep tabs on you and your usage. To be fair, I was not keen on Microsoft's telemetry in vscode but that can be disabled and even better, vscodium removes it completely.
    - guessmyname 8y ago
      > I've discontinued use due to the high cost […] I’ve given away 30+ SublimeText licenses in the last 5 years, mostly to students. If you cannot afford paying $80 for a license, ping me via email and I’ll buy one for you. My email is 0x636978746f7264732f61742f676d61696c I’m looking forward to talk with you.
      - nicoburns 8y ago
        Hex encoding your email address is genius. Don't think many spammers will be picking that one up!
jpeeler 8y ago
It is unfair. However, unless you have a principle of ignoring freely (free as in beer and code in this case) released software from bigger companies it's a comparison that will be made. PS - I understand what you're saying, but I thought it was funny you claimed you don't have an account on a website that requires registration for commenting. Welcome to HN!
- Philipp__ 8y ago
  I hope that you are aware that VSCode is not free software.
  - jpeeler 8y ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're confusing the release binaries with the source? https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#why https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#why
bishala 8y ago
99% of the end users only care about the product, not how the developers are making ends meet.

rajangdavis 8y ago

If you think $80 dollars is too much for a tool that you can expect to use for 5+ years without issues (I'm at 5 years with Sublime currently), I don't know what to tell you. If you work a trade, you should expect to invest in high quality tools (a laptop, maybe a second monitor, etc.). Granted, if I knew how to as productive as I am with Sublime Text with Vim or Emacs, I would switch over in a heart beat.

frosted-flakes 8y ago
He didn't say it was too much, only that it was more than other comparable editors. If all else is equal, why wouldn't you take the cheaper option?
- rajangdavis 8y ago
  Vim and Emacs may work for GP's workflow, but I can't say the same for me (at this time). In that context, I would say that cheaper doesn't always mean better (I prefer to be productive than bill for learning new tools unless that is part of the project). I tried working with Vim exclusively when I started my job ~2 years ago, and my terminal would hang quite often that I had to abandon it (I use ConEmu which is free, but hangs quite often). I also work on a Windows machine and do not want to use the windows command line, I prefer git-bash/mingw32.
  - nickjj 8y ago
    I'm currently using Windows with WSL + wsltty + tmux + terminal vim with no issues. Things are really fast and stable. I often have 10 Vim instances open across half a dozen tmux sessions. Each one takes up about 8mb of RAM with ~40 plugins doing everything I could ever ask for in a code editor. The only time they get closed is when Windows decides to reboot but then I can automatically restore the tmux sessions with 1 hot key. I switched to Vim last month after I found VSCode to be unusable for editing a 1mb a markdown file (it used over 50% of my i5 3.2ghz quadcore just idling with the file open). I wrote about the experience at https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/vim-is-saving-me-hours-of-work-when-writing-books-and-courses https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/vim-is-saving-me-hours-of-wor.... Haven't looked back since.